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now our interview with byron de lear and

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you know rocky and i we've been on this

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topic for years now and uh

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i thought it'd be great to have rocky in

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the mix because he's got such a

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a great background in the canadian

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yeah so he knows a lot of the policies

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and procedures that are conducted by

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military in terms of

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special access programs and these kind

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of uh

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things that occur and and and plus he's

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he's been a die-hard

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investigator and researcher on this

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topic for

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many many years and i've followed this

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for many many years so just whenever

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you're ready

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yeah yeah well we're rolling uh so yeah

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rocky want you to share with us real

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quickly i know that you lead

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lead an organization correct we're going

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to save you first sure

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we have a thank you um pleasure to meet

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you by the way sincerely i i was

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unfamiliar with your work actually until

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byron

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made me aware of you so going through

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all your shows

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quickly so basically i yeah i served 25

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served on multiple overseas

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missions i actually served on naval um

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warships and i served with the air force

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all three elements um and

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when it comes to like special access

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programs that kind of thing i don't

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programs work right so i'm not i'm not

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grand claims however i do understand the

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bureaucracy

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of government and our and the military

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and specifically nato and norad

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i i definitely spent time on norad

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deployments up north and uh you know

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how a lot of these uh things get turned

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into conspiracy rather rather rapidly

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and norad is the north american radar

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air defense command that's a that's a

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coalition between canada and the united

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and typically i would think that the

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primary mission

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would be in the context of the cold war

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the northern part of canada a lot of

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radar systems and sensors

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my father actually was a secret courier

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stationed in newfoundland during the

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korean war

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and so there was a you know number of

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capable bombers uh up there ready to go

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did would would sona's information rocky

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be collated at norad as well sonus would

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be the underwater sonar systems

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throughout the world i don't know that

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classified i think not but norad just

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james to be totally clear it's canadian

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its headquarters is is um it's colorado

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they're they're um their whole purpose

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recognize everything that's in the sky

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truly unknown if it's not considered a

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they flush it right so so there's a

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there's a problem with a lot of these

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conspiracies that have to do with norad

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the topic so let's stand norad for a

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so this is a satellite system that

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that it becomes someone else's problem

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airspace they track every aircraft

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airspace and they have a um a center for

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aerospace analysis where they collate

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it's a big game that's been going on for

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uh off of san diego so yeah something

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that incident actually so i've i've

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deputy uh commander of of norad and um

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time and that's it

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the higher chain of command

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journalists faster than anybody else

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and they really have nothing to say

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the former uh director of national

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intelligence under uh president trump

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the reconnaissance fleet of satellites

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other venues like uh clubhouse and

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in twitter spaces where some of these

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a very unequivocal picture about a very

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that it's a glitch in software

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ptf report this intelligence report the

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reviewed it by now but many have not but

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of of nine pages but really is more like

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real data content but going back to

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exactly you know according to the report

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we don't really know the the report

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doesn't go into specificity about which

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platforms

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comprise the multiple sensors and of

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course it is a preliminary

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report it's an overview and

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um you know i was some people were upset

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about the report

295
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um in particular there's uh a lot of

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folks in ufology gym

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that uh over the years have um

298
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you know there's there's a lot of hoaxes

299
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and a lot of misinformation

300
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in this particular topic i will say that

301
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uh the group that rocky and i are a part

302
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of which is the uh

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a tip or advanced aerospace threat

304
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identification program discussion cell

305
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on facebook

306
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it's an ad hoc research group that's

307
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been going on since

308
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the new york times article of december

309
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2017

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revealed the presence of atip or the

311
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existence of atip

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and louis elizondo then came out and

313
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started speaking on the topic this

314
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that's how long this group has been

315
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around but i will say that our focus is

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really

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more on the empirically based or

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data-driven

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evidence that we have been exposed to as

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limited

321
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as it is and we believe jim that there

322
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is

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essentially a sort of a third faction

324
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if you'll indulge the term of ufology

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that's formed

326
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you know if the first two factions that

327
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follow this topic are skeptics

328
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and believers you know we believe that

329
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you know popping out of the background

330
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is this kind of third faction

331
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that's backed by data and empirically uh

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based uh

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information and

334
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uh it's going going back to norad and

335
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with your guys efforts there it sounds

336
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like you're saying

337
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that's been a dead end is is getting

338
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is learning what norad has seen

339
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over the years is that correct yeah

340
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as far as i'm concerned they don't they

341
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don't speak i mean there's been

342
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documents come out over the decades but

343
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of course

344
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document interpretation is a difficult

345
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thing

346
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and um you know i've got i have friends

347
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that work at norad and um

348
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you know they're not they're not hiding

349
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aliens in some basement somewhere

350
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they legitimately don't talk about this

351
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they don't talk about

352
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really anything they see because they

353
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are a strictly defense

354
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organization so any of their sources and

355
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methods are just

356
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simply they're not going to discuss

357
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satellites right right is that the same

358
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thing

359
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i was able to to watch most of your your

360
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louis elizondo interview

361
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and i think satellites came up and

362
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that's where he he claimed

363
00:12:09,269 --> 00:12:08,000
right that was kind of the same thing

364
00:12:11,030 --> 00:12:09,279
yeah no one's going to talk about that

365
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not yet there was that um

366
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one gentleman that byron just mentioned

367
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the former dni

368
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and he i think inadvertently probably

369
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probably regrets it he mentions

370
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satellite data and that's the probably i

371
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think it's the only time in history

372
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that any sort of intelligence official

373
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has ever even said the word satellite

374
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in public they're that tight about it so

375
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even though the reports that we're

376
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talking about that they

377
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are reporting on they are military

378
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reports during

379
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a lot of military training exercises

380
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which also theoretically expose

381
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right so i i i don't know

382
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not to belabor it but i mean why is

383
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norad

384
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on a special level compared to our

385
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detection systems that happen off of a

386
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ship

387
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yeah i think if you really parse out

388
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what we've learned from

389
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say that the tic tac incident or

390
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something like that

391
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the actual amount of data that the

392
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military itself

393
00:13:11,910 --> 00:13:10,639
has ever spoken about publicly when it

394
00:13:15,350 --> 00:13:11,920
comes to that case

395
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is minuscule right the the

396
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vast majority when i say military i'm

397
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talking about serving people

398
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who speak on behalf of the armed forces

399
00:13:24,870 --> 00:13:23,120
right

400
00:13:27,110 --> 00:13:24,880
it sounds like i'm you know excuse the

401
00:13:29,430 --> 00:13:27,120
phrase picking pepper from fly poop but

402
00:13:31,190 --> 00:13:29,440
the reality is the instance somebody

403
00:13:32,389 --> 00:13:31,200
gets out if they say hey well we saw

404
00:13:32,870 --> 00:13:32,399
this you know in our airplane or

405
00:13:34,069 --> 00:13:32,880
whatever

406
00:13:36,150 --> 00:13:34,079
they're not speaking on behalf of the

407
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military so it

408
00:13:40,710 --> 00:13:39,199
it it's one of those awkward things so

409
00:13:43,189 --> 00:13:40,720
most of the stuff we've heard about the

410
00:13:45,750 --> 00:13:43,199
tic tac incident comes from

411
00:13:46,710 --> 00:13:45,760
very credible people that were serving

412
00:13:48,389 --> 00:13:46,720
sometimes only

413
00:13:50,550 --> 00:13:48,399
you know days before they spoke about it

414
00:13:51,829 --> 00:13:50,560
but they're no longer for the most part

415
00:13:54,069 --> 00:13:51,839
no longer speaking about it however

416
00:13:54,710 --> 00:13:54,079
there is um i think it's commander

417
00:13:57,350 --> 00:13:54,720
dietrich

418
00:13:57,910 --> 00:13:57,360
she she was a f-18 pilot that flew along

419
00:13:59,910 --> 00:13:57,920
side

420
00:14:01,670 --> 00:13:59,920
commander fraber as his wingmen and

421
00:14:02,470 --> 00:14:01,680
she's as far as i know still serving and

422
00:14:05,110 --> 00:14:02,480
she's been

423
00:14:05,750 --> 00:14:05,120
doing some talking about it but as far

424
00:14:07,430 --> 00:14:05,760
as data

425
00:14:09,030 --> 00:14:07,440
yeah limited right like they talk about

426
00:14:09,590 --> 00:14:09,040
radar data all the time we always hear

427
00:14:11,350 --> 00:14:09,600
this you know

428
00:14:12,790 --> 00:14:11,360
the radar data says this we've never

429
00:14:14,870 --> 00:14:12,800
seen a shred of it

430
00:14:16,150 --> 00:14:14,880
right so that's that's another claim

431
00:14:18,310 --> 00:14:16,160
that becomes really difficult

432
00:14:19,430 --> 00:14:18,320
and that's that's where i start really

433
00:14:23,430 --> 00:14:19,440
trying to

434
00:14:25,509 --> 00:14:23,440
dig into the the details that we can but

435
00:14:26,949 --> 00:14:25,519
well what what the military did do

436
00:14:29,590 --> 00:14:26,959
however was acknowledge

437
00:14:30,150 --> 00:14:29,600
that the video that was released through

438
00:14:33,670 --> 00:14:30,160
some

439
00:14:34,230 --> 00:14:33,680
odd method um was real that it's

440
00:14:37,509 --> 00:14:34,240
actually

441
00:14:40,949 --> 00:14:37,519
u.s military captured

442
00:14:42,069 --> 00:14:40,959
video and i forget did they also confirm

443
00:14:44,870 --> 00:14:42,079
that the objects

444
00:14:46,150 --> 00:14:44,880
observed were physical or am i confusing

445
00:14:47,509 --> 00:14:46,160
that now with this report because i know

446
00:14:48,949 --> 00:14:47,519
in this report

447
00:14:50,389 --> 00:14:48,959
they're pretty much confirming that

448
00:14:51,110 --> 00:14:50,399
these are physical objects that have

449
00:14:52,710 --> 00:14:51,120
been seen

450
00:14:54,150 --> 00:14:52,720
well i don't think the military has come

451
00:14:56,150 --> 00:14:54,160
out and said those objects were physical

452
00:14:58,069 --> 00:14:56,160
but they did say that they represent

453
00:14:59,590 --> 00:14:58,079
or at least they they fall under the

454
00:15:01,030 --> 00:14:59,600
guise of the

455
00:15:02,870 --> 00:15:01,040
unidentified or unexplained aerial

456
00:15:04,389 --> 00:15:02,880
phenomena that that that was a couple

457
00:15:07,350 --> 00:15:04,399
years ago now but they they at least

458
00:15:08,550 --> 00:15:07,360
categorize them as that so it's you know

459
00:15:10,069 --> 00:15:08,560
we should mention that's not the first

460
00:15:12,550 --> 00:15:10,079
time the military's ever come out and

461
00:15:13,910 --> 00:15:12,560
i said publicly that they couldn't

462
00:15:15,509 --> 00:15:13,920
identify things i mean

463
00:15:17,509 --> 00:15:15,519
there's reports that go back right to

464
00:15:19,430 --> 00:15:17,519
the beginning 1947

465
00:15:21,509 --> 00:15:19,440
um all the way up to modern times of

466
00:15:24,949 --> 00:15:21,519
famous reports where they've said

467
00:15:25,910 --> 00:15:24,959
we don't know right and so um and

468
00:15:27,430 --> 00:15:25,920
they weren't just saying you know

469
00:15:28,389 --> 00:15:27,440
there's some anomalous light in this guy

470
00:15:30,629 --> 00:15:28,399
they were talking about

471
00:15:32,790 --> 00:15:30,639
three-dimensional manufactured craft

472
00:15:33,749 --> 00:15:32,800
that were performing high capability in

473
00:15:35,030 --> 00:15:33,759
fact

474
00:15:37,269 --> 00:15:35,040
i would argue and i don't know if byron

475
00:15:40,389 --> 00:15:37,279
agrees with me or not that this this

476
00:15:42,550 --> 00:15:40,399
recent report is almost verbatim what

477
00:15:44,389 --> 00:15:42,560
general john samford said back in i

478
00:15:47,990 --> 00:15:44,399
think 1952

479
00:15:49,910 --> 00:15:48,000
um when he gave his famous speech about

480
00:15:51,189 --> 00:15:49,920
ufos and it's it's almost like a page

481
00:15:53,189 --> 00:15:51,199
for page

482
00:15:54,550 --> 00:15:53,199
um you know this this new report is

483
00:15:56,230 --> 00:15:54,560
almost paid for page the same

484
00:15:57,990 --> 00:15:56,240
right not meaning that there's any

485
00:15:58,550 --> 00:15:58,000
conspiracy or cover-up what i'm saying

486
00:15:59,910 --> 00:15:58,560
is

487
00:16:01,910 --> 00:15:59,920
these people keep arriving at the same

488
00:16:03,430 --> 00:16:01,920
conclusion there is something there

489
00:16:05,910 --> 00:16:03,440
that is of high technology that they

490
00:16:07,430 --> 00:16:05,920
can't recognize fill us in for those of

491
00:16:09,030 --> 00:16:07,440
us who haven't been following this for

492
00:16:11,350 --> 00:16:09,040
for many years like you guys have phil

493
00:16:13,110 --> 00:16:11,360
sent on what happened in 1952 and

494
00:16:14,790 --> 00:16:13,120
and what he had to say and what he was

495
00:16:17,030 --> 00:16:14,800
reporting on and then we'll we'll

496
00:16:18,550 --> 00:16:17,040
tie it to this report that just came out

497
00:16:19,189 --> 00:16:18,560
sure byron did you want to go or do you

498
00:16:21,749 --> 00:16:19,199
want to

499
00:16:22,790 --> 00:16:21,759
no go ahead the washington dc incidents

500
00:16:25,350 --> 00:16:22,800
and then sure of course

501
00:16:27,189 --> 00:16:25,360
predating that would be kenneth arnold's

502
00:16:29,910 --> 00:16:27,199
sighting in 1947

503
00:16:32,389 --> 00:16:29,920
and i had actually rocky and i were

504
00:16:36,470 --> 00:16:32,399
reviewing a u.s air force memo

505
00:16:39,430 --> 00:16:36,480
dated uh october 28 1947

506
00:16:41,509 --> 00:16:39,440
and essentially they're describing these

507
00:16:41,749 --> 00:16:41,519
aircraft what they're calling aircraft

508
00:16:43,829 --> 00:16:41,759
or

509
00:16:46,230 --> 00:16:43,839
objects and they just demonstrate the

510
00:16:48,790 --> 00:16:46,240
exact same performance features that

511
00:16:51,030 --> 00:16:48,800
we've heard commander fraver describe

512
00:16:53,189 --> 00:16:51,040
his encounter with the tic tac

513
00:16:55,829 --> 00:16:53,199
um and so yeah rocky go ahead and answer

514
00:16:56,870 --> 00:16:55,839
the the washington dc incident 1952 and

515
00:17:00,150 --> 00:16:56,880
then maybe we can

516
00:17:03,910 --> 00:17:00,160
re rewind the clock a little bit to um

517
00:17:05,909 --> 00:17:03,920
the post world war ii growth of this

518
00:17:06,630 --> 00:17:05,919
phenomenon starting with kenneth arnold

519
00:17:09,029 --> 00:17:06,640
and you know

520
00:17:10,710 --> 00:17:09,039
there's earlier incidents but when it

521
00:17:12,870 --> 00:17:10,720
really entered the mainstream

522
00:17:14,150 --> 00:17:12,880
consciousness was uh with kenneth arnold

523
00:17:15,669 --> 00:17:14,160
sighting

524
00:17:18,309 --> 00:17:15,679
right so kenneth our own setting was in

525
00:17:21,669 --> 00:17:18,319
1947 but up until

526
00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:21,679
1952 there there was a a steady buildup

527
00:17:26,870 --> 00:17:24,640
of people reporting uh anomalous

528
00:17:28,230 --> 00:17:26,880
vehicles in the sky and of course

529
00:17:29,430 --> 00:17:28,240
you know it was it was a steady stream

530
00:17:30,950 --> 00:17:29,440
there were there wasn't there wasn't

531
00:17:34,789 --> 00:17:30,960
dozens there were hundreds if not

532
00:17:37,110 --> 00:17:34,799
thousands of reports in clusters

533
00:17:38,789 --> 00:17:37,120
starting in 47 but in 1952 it seems to

534
00:17:41,110 --> 00:17:38,799
be a particularly

535
00:17:42,870 --> 00:17:41,120
important year and in fact that's the

536
00:17:46,950 --> 00:17:42,880
same year that there was a

537
00:17:49,669 --> 00:17:46,960
very famous sighting over um washington

538
00:17:50,470 --> 00:17:49,679
and there's this this is washington d.c

539
00:17:53,590 --> 00:17:50,480
yeah correct

540
00:17:55,029 --> 00:17:53,600
um sorry uh washington dc and so there's

541
00:17:56,470 --> 00:17:55,039
this case that if you look up called the

542
00:17:58,070 --> 00:17:56,480
washington merry-go-round where

543
00:18:00,549 --> 00:17:58,080
basically

544
00:18:02,870 --> 00:18:00,559
um air traffic control towers in and

545
00:18:05,669 --> 00:18:02,880
around washington dc were reporting

546
00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:05,679
um objects showing up on radar and

547
00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:07,440
eventually there were jets scrambled

548
00:18:09,510 --> 00:18:08,799
from one of the air force bases in the

549
00:18:12,789 --> 00:18:09,520
area

550
00:18:14,070 --> 00:18:12,799
and when the pilots arrived

551
00:18:16,549 --> 00:18:14,080
over one of your local rivers at the

552
00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:16,559
platonic they um they saw these

553
00:18:19,909 --> 00:18:18,240
these lights and as these lights would

554
00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:19,919
get closer to the aircraft the aircraft

555
00:18:21,990 --> 00:18:21,360
would try to get closer to it they would

556
00:18:23,750 --> 00:18:22,000
speed up and

557
00:18:25,029 --> 00:18:23,760
these lights would zoom off and and fly

558
00:18:26,549 --> 00:18:25,039
away this went on

559
00:18:28,310 --> 00:18:26,559
over and over and over again every time

560
00:18:29,510 --> 00:18:28,320
the jets would show up the lights would

561
00:18:32,230 --> 00:18:29,520
take off

562
00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:32,240
and this went on for um basically two

563
00:18:35,830 --> 00:18:33,440
weeks

564
00:18:37,270 --> 00:18:35,840
roughly and and on the final weekend

565
00:18:38,710 --> 00:18:37,280
there was a lot of people in different

566
00:18:39,590 --> 00:18:38,720
aircraft control towers trying to

567
00:18:40,950 --> 00:18:39,600
document this

568
00:18:43,029 --> 00:18:40,960
and lo and behold these things showed up

569
00:18:44,950 --> 00:18:43,039
again and it eventually ended with a

570
00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:44,960
very famous moment where

571
00:18:47,909 --> 00:18:46,480
this fighter plane was surrounded by

572
00:18:49,750 --> 00:18:47,919
these lights and the pilot just said

573
00:18:50,870 --> 00:18:49,760
well what should i do now no one knew

574
00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:50,880
what to tell them

575
00:18:53,190 --> 00:18:52,320
because no one had any idea what they

576
00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:53,200
were dealing with they knew they were

577
00:18:56,789 --> 00:18:54,640
dealing with something

578
00:18:58,230 --> 00:18:56,799
high technology likely and something

579
00:18:59,590 --> 00:18:58,240
that seemed to be intelligently

580
00:19:03,270 --> 00:18:59,600
controlled and that's sort of where that

581
00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:03,280
ended but it created a lot of um

582
00:19:06,310 --> 00:19:05,520
uproar and excitement so people didn't

583
00:19:07,909 --> 00:19:06,320
know what

584
00:19:09,830 --> 00:19:07,919
to to think you know were we being

585
00:19:10,870 --> 00:19:09,840
attacked or by aliens or russians or

586
00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:10,880
whatnot

587
00:19:16,870 --> 00:19:14,240
so the air force uh held one of

588
00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:16,880
at that time its largest or longest

589
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:18,720
press conference in history

590
00:19:24,150 --> 00:19:22,320
and general john samford um

591
00:19:25,350 --> 00:19:24,160
was i believe in in charge of the

592
00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:25,360
seventh air force at the time or

593
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:26,480
something like this but he was

594
00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:30,080
he was um involved with the ufo subject

595
00:19:35,190 --> 00:19:32,960
from the very beginning and like from

596
00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:35,200
from 1946 47 onward

597
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:37,200
and so he was you always see this guy in

598
00:19:41,590 --> 00:19:39,440
the background commenting or

599
00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:41,600
you know giving some advice on the topic

600
00:19:44,549 --> 00:19:43,440
but he he did this speech which is worth

601
00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:44,559
listening to

602
00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:48,000
and he describes in detail all of the

603
00:19:51,029 --> 00:19:49,440
efforts that they've put into place at

604
00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:51,039
that point to try and

605
00:19:56,470 --> 00:19:54,400
um identify some of these objects and

606
00:19:58,150 --> 00:19:56,480
if in case you're wondering what he said

607
00:19:59,830 --> 00:19:58,160
he said virtually everything that you

608
00:20:01,430 --> 00:19:59,840
see in this new report that they

609
00:20:03,350 --> 00:20:01,440
they think maybe it could be in some

610
00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:03,360
cases the russians maybe it could be

611
00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:04,240
someone else

612
00:20:08,149 --> 00:20:06,480
and he goes through this whole list of

613
00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:08,159
you know the type of testing that they

614
00:20:10,789 --> 00:20:09,120
did

615
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:10,799
saying clearly we don't have the

616
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:12,720
capability to to measure

617
00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:14,880
properly i'm paraphrasing here but they

618
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:16,159
were looking at measurements we just

619
00:20:20,230 --> 00:20:18,080
didn't have at the time the ability to

620
00:20:21,990 --> 00:20:20,240
measure properly what these things were

621
00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:22,000
and they recognized and he recognized

622
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:23,919
that there was something there

623
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:27,360
of high technology that was likely past

624
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:29,520
what the americans had achieved and we

625
00:20:32,950 --> 00:20:30,960
just didn't have the ability to

626
00:20:34,870 --> 00:20:32,960
to properly measure it and so they were

627
00:20:37,990 --> 00:20:34,880
stumped but there were

628
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:38,000
members of the air staff that really

629
00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:38,400
felt

630
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:41,120
the extraterrestrial hypothesis was was

631
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:41,840
at least

632
00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:43,600
something they should put on the table

633
00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:44,880
and they and they um

634
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:46,720
they didn't kick it off i mean it that

635
00:20:50,230 --> 00:20:48,159
part the et hypothesis

636
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:50,240
is not in his speech but he kind of

637
00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:52,320
categorizes it as to another

638
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:53,919
right and and what were the flight

639
00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:55,840
characteristics of those objects

640
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:58,080
as we think about tic-tac yeah extreme

641
00:21:01,750 --> 00:20:59,280
rates of climb

642
00:21:03,590 --> 00:21:01,760
um instantaneous acceleration low

643
00:21:05,750 --> 00:21:03,600
observability meaning not just that it's

644
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:05,760
a flat plate or something like that but

645
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:08,400
hard to see hard to photograph when they

646
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:09,440
try to videos

647
00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:11,120
these things they're often almost

648
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:13,039
impossible to get on video they're just

649
00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:14,000
blurry

650
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:16,240
right so there's some kind of

651
00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:17,600
interference there they figured

652
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:19,440
as far as that low observability goes

653
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:22,799
the um extraordinary rates of climb

654
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:24,640
and instantaneous acceleration has been

655
00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:27,120
reported of in official documents

656
00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:29,520
since 1947 since about september yeah

657
00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:30,960
this document from

658
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:34,480
you know october 28 1947

659
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:37,039
jim it says an alleged flying saucer

660
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:38,880
type aircraft or object in flight

661
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:40,880
approximately the shape of a disc

662
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:42,799
has been reported by many observers from

663
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:44,799
widely scattered places such as the

664
00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:45,919
united states

665
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:49,520
alaska canada hungary the island of guam

666
00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:50,720
and japan

667
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:52,880
this object has been reported by many

668
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:54,880
competent observers

669
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:58,320
including usaf rated officers

670
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:59,919
sightings have been made from the ground

671
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:01,360
as well as from the air

672
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:04,080
and the commonly reported features uh

673
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:06,240
relatively flat bottom with extreme

674
00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:08,080
light reflecting ability

675
00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:09,440
that would kind of track with the

676
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:12,960
kenneth arnold's sighting in 1947 when

677
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:14,799
the term flying saucer was actually

678
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:16,960
coined from that incident

679
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:19,919
because they were shiny objects

680
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:21,039
reflecting light

681
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:25,360
at an immense level absence of sound

682
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:27,120
except for an occasional roar when

683
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:28,640
operating under super performance

684
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:29,840
conditions

685
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:32,159
extreme maneuverability and apparent

686
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:34,880
ability to almost hover

687
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:37,120
a plane form approximating that of an

688
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:39,120
oval or disc with a dome shade on

689
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:41,919
dome shape on the top service and then

690
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:44,480
the ability to quickly disappear

691
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:47,120
by high speed or by complete

692
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:48,880
disintegration

693
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:52,240
now this is from 1947 and this really

694
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:53,039
tracks with

695
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:55,520
how commander fravor described the tic

696
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:56,640
tac incident

697
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:58,799
in many many different interviews and

698
00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:59,840
you know jim

699
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:01,919
he kind of goes and then the object went

700
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:03,840
poof and he does this

701
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:05,840
this with his hands and so there's been

702
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:07,039
some you know

703
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:09,200
consternation about whether that meant

704
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:10,799
well did the object take off over the

705
00:23:14,549 --> 00:23:12,640
horizon in one or two seconds

706
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:14,559
which would indicate this extraordinary

707
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:16,080
acceleration that

708
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:18,159
is basically defying the laws of physics

709
00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:20,000
as we know it or is there actually sort

710
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:21,280
of a disintegrate

711
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,400
disintegrating uh you know

712
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:25,919
popping out of our dimension of

713
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:27,600
existence or

714
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:30,640
some kind of uh element where it just

715
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:33,600
is not seen anymore and it's just

716
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:35,679
interesting to see that this is exactly

717
00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:37,039
what they were saying

718
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:40,000
just two years after world war ii and

719
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:41,600
nothing has changed

720
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:43,440
the u.s government does not know what

721
00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:44,799
these objects are

722
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:47,919
they've said this to congress um you

723
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:50,240
know there are a lot of theories about

724
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:53,120
captured craft and roswell and you've

725
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:54,960
got the bob lazar

726
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:57,760
stories and things like this um i

727
00:24:02,230 --> 00:23:59,039
actually took a look

728
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:02,240
at the roswell case uh from

729
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:04,880
the point of view of a detective

730
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:06,559
historian

731
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:10,080
book on the american revolution called

732
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:12,000
the first american flag

733
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:15,120
and in order to uh write that book to

734
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:16,000
divine

735
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:17,600
where the origins of the first flag of

736
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:19,520
america came from i had to

737
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:22,080
really examine the primary sources

738
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:23,440
associated with

739
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:25,200
when general washington unfurled this

740
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:26,960
flag before the continental army on

741
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:29,279
january 1st 1776

742
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:32,000
and i applied that same rigor to the

743
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:33,600
roswell incident

744
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,440
and our research group you know we

745
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,200
looked at the primary sources

746
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:39,600
and just basically not to get

747
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:40,480
sidetracked

748
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,559
from tic tac or the latest evidence or

749
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:44,159
this report too much

750
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:46,080
but we believe that there was a fit of

751
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:47,840
journalistic malpractice that had

752
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:48,559
occurred

753
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:50,480
at the beginning of the roswell incident

754
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:52,400
and that the stories

755
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:54,880
and testimonies that kind of built over

756
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:55,679
time

757
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:58,559
really reflected more how mythology or

758
00:25:02,230 --> 00:24:59,039
for

759
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:02,240
folklore uh is developed rather than an

760
00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:03,200
actual

761
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,200
description of the event that occurred

762
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:07,679
where craft and bodies were retrieved so

763
00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:09,760
we don't believe that that exists

764
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:13,520
um that and i i have to say that

765
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:14,799
i think that the united states

766
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:17,919
government is following the law

767
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:20,159
when they made this report and that

768
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:22,640
they're not lying to congress

769
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:26,240
and there is a layer of legalistic

770
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:27,440
review

771
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:30,400
by general counsel from the department

772
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:32,159
of defense throughout woven throughout

773
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:34,240
this document

774
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:37,760
to as a preliminary assessment to really

775
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:38,720
give

776
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:41,440
the option that if this is artifacts

777
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:43,360
electronically through sensors

778
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:46,320
if this is airborne clutter if this is a

779
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:48,240
foreign adversary's technological

780
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:49,279
platform

781
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:51,440
all these different options are laid

782
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:52,480
before

783
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:55,520
congress in this report but when you

784
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:56,240
start to

785
00:26:02,070 --> 00:25:58,799
hear the testimony of the folks that

786
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:02,080
have received the classified briefing

787
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:05,360
a different picture starts to emerge um

788
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:07,919
it appears that there's much more data

789
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:09,760
that show the extraordinary feats of

790
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:11,840
maneuverability that these crafts

791
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:15,039
are are performing and uh you really

792
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:15,919
start to

793
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,559
take the option of a foreign adversary

794
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:20,720
technological platform off the table

795
00:26:24,149 --> 00:26:22,640
and certainly you take the option of a

796
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:24,159
deflated balloon

797
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:26,799
or airborne clutter off the table so

798
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:28,640
through the process of elimination

799
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:30,480
and through expanded information

800
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:32,000
collection which this report is

801
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:32,960
recommending

802
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:35,679
including increased investment you know

803
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:37,679
perhaps we are entering a new era of

804
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:39,679
transparency on this issue

805
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:42,720
and we won't follow the timeline of what

806
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:44,400
happened in the past

807
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:47,520
where you had 1947 and 1952 and then

808
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:48,720
project blue book

809
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:50,640
and then the government essentially shut

810
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:54,159
down the public sharing of information

811
00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:57,200
and saying that all these issues

812
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:59,600
that these are just prosaic mundane

813
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:00,640
explanations

814
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:02,640
i believe that we are there there is a

815
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:04,480
kind of a sea change happening

816
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:06,480
and as long as we continue to press for

817
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:08,640
the release of this information

818
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:11,120
um i think that uh the government won't

819
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:12,960
really be able to shut this down

820
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:14,799
uh like they did last time in the late

821
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:16,320
60s

822
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:17,840
you're always going to have this

823
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:19,520
national security element

824
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:22,240
to it that's going to filter the

825
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:24,320
information that we receive right and

826
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:25,679
and limit the information that we

827
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:27,919
receive for for good reason

828
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:30,399
we don't want to reveal our capabilities

829
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:31,760
we don't want to reveal what we

830
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:33,679
necessarily don't know

831
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:35,919
we don't necessarily reveal all that we

832
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:37,039
do know

833
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:38,320
you know because there's this foreign

834
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:40,399
adversary element to it and so on right

835
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:40,960
so that

836
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:42,880
kind of makes sense as to why there's

837
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:44,320
always going to be these

838
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:46,480
filters to what we receive and we get an

839
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,080
eight-page report whereas congress gets

840
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:50,159
a longer report and so on

841
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:52,399
now there's a lot of people in ufology

842
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:53,760
correct me if i'm wrong because i'm not

843
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:54,880
part of that

844
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:57,679
that believe that well the reason

845
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:58,320
they're not

846
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:01,279
being more forthcoming with information

847
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:02,720
is not what i just said

848
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:06,080
it's because they know that this stuff

849
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:06,559
is

850
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:09,919
you know extraterrestrial and they think

851
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:12,080
that the american public is not ready

852
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:13,200
for it

853
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:16,159
we need to kind of slowly prepare the

854
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,279
public for this

855
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:19,760
because we're afraid of what kind of

856
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:20,960
response there's going to be

857
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:23,520
when you know like the movie contact

858
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:25,279
where people learn for the first time

859
00:28:27,909 --> 00:28:26,320
that holy cow

860
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:27,919
we really have been visited and there's

861
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:29,840
life on other planets and and you know

862
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,039
are we doomed or or what have you so

863
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:36,240
uh where do you guys stand on that

864
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:39,679
issue um i i've never

865
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:41,760
held strongly to the belief that there

866
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:44,399
is some controlling agency out there

867
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:46,000
you know a bunch of men in a dark room

868
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:47,600
smoking cigars controlling

869
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:50,320
the secrets of aliens existence on it it

870
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:51,120
just

871
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:53,039
i would love to see evidence of that but

872
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:55,360
every time somebody brings something up

873
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:58,720
it falls apart in my humble opinion

874
00:29:01,990 --> 00:28:59,840
pretty quickly but

875
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:02,000
on the other hand people people know

876
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:03,360
things so part of me

877
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:06,240
and they um you know there's reasons

878
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:07,919
that things are kept quiet but as far as

879
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:09,760
some grand conspiracy

880
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:12,559
i think that if you look at the reaction

881
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:14,240
of those people we know

882
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:16,399
that got the classified portion of the

883
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:18,159
report

884
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:19,919
well we would assume that they're being

885
00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:21,600
told the truth and none of them are

886
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:23,600
jumping off of you know cliff saying oh

887
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:24,960
my god aliens are here they're saying

888
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:26,960
it's fascinating it's compelling it's

889
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:28,240
changed me

890
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:30,240
so they were showing something that that

891
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:32,320
at least leads them to

892
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:34,080
believe that we should put some more

893
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:35,440
effort into figuring out what this stuff

894
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:38,159
is but as far as a grand conspiracy

895
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:40,159
yeah i don't i don't believe it but i

896
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:41,520
also don't know

897
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:45,200
right yeah and just piggybacking on what

898
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:46,640
rocky said about

899
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:49,360
the reactions that you're getting from

900
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:51,039
people that have received the classified

901
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:52,799
information like for example

902
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:55,840
andre carson the u.s rep

903
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:58,080
from indiana from the indianapolis area

904
00:30:02,070 --> 00:29:58,960
he did a

905
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:02,080
interview on this topic on pbs

906
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:03,840
and he's basically saying there's going

907
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:05,360
to be hearings coming up

908
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:06,880
he's on the intelligence committee i

909
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:07,840
believe he's the chair of the

910
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:09,200
intelligence committee

911
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:11,760
and just the tone of the way that

912
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:13,520
they're describing this

913
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:16,640
it's not the you know

914
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:19,440
wild-eyed uh expression of a true

915
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:20,480
believer

916
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:22,960
it's rather somebody that's been exposed

917
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:25,360
to unequivocal

918
00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:28,320
information that shows that these are

919
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:30,399
real physical objects

920
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:32,880
and that they're doing uh they're

921
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:34,960
demonstrating technology that's several

922
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:36,799
generations beyond

923
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:40,880
what uh anything we would expect from

924
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:44,240
from uh defense departments in russia

925
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:44,720
china

926
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:47,840
america or or elsewhere on the planet

927
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:51,600
and you know so

928
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:54,240
from a speculative standpoint you start

929
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:54,640
to

930
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:56,880
kind of back engineer well where could

931
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:58,000
this come from

932
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:01,039
and this is when the et hypothesis is a

933
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:02,880
very plausible option

934
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:05,519
and i believe it's plausible jim because

935
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:07,120
when you consider the some

936
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:09,440
odd 20 billion earth-like planets

937
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:10,159
orbiting

938
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:12,640
sun-like stars in the galaxy and you

939
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:15,200
consider that many of these planets are

940
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:17,440
on average a billion years older than

941
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:19,200
ours

942
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:22,240
if you start to think about technology

943
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:23,519
developing

944
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:26,799
in another civilization there's a

945
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:28,480
certain component that is an

946
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:31,039
information gathering component about

947
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:33,279
the ability to develop technology

948
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:35,519
there's a certain curiosity about the

949
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:36,480
surrounding world

950
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:39,760
and and you know the nature of the

951
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:40,799
universe

952
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:43,840
um and so the idea that when you advance

953
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:46,159
your technology to a sufficient place

954
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,640
where there are no technological or

955
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:50,320
intellectual or physical

956
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:53,679
resource limitations you start to think

957
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:54,240
that

958
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:57,279
why wouldn't they do a program to

959
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:57,840
collect

960
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:01,039
information on their neighbors and

961
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:03,039
um you know this has been described in

962
00:32:06,909 --> 00:32:04,960
various forms there's a thing called

963
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:06,919
neumann probes which would be

964
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:09,360
self-replicating probes that go out

965
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:11,360
and circumnavigate the galaxy and i

966
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:12,640
think that even in

967
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:15,519
conventional speeds these neumann probes

968
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:15,919
uh

969
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:19,919
million years

970
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:23,279
and so why wouldn't they find us

971
00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:26,320
first and you know perhaps even the

972
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:28,159
occam's razor the most likely

973
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:29,760
explanation when you consider the

974
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:31,200
extraordinary performance of these

975
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:32,000
objects

976
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:34,080
if indeed they have been proven to be

977
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:35,440
physical objects

978
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:38,080
and admittedly we do not have the

979
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:40,559
evidence of that in the public space yet

980
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:42,320
we have the testimony of folks like

981
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:43,600
louis elizondo

982
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:46,080
and chris mellon and then the reactions

983
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:47,279
of some of the folks that have been

984
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:49,200
exposed to these classified briefings

985
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,480
and you kind of you know through

986
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:52,480
deductive reasoning you can piece

987
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:54,159
together that these have been confirmed

988
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:55,440
to be physical objects

989
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:57,279
but if they are and they're doing this

990
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:58,559
kind of performance

991
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:00,960
accelerating at 9000 miles an hour and

992
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:03,360
doing a 90 degree turn for example

993
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:05,519
if this is indeed the case certainly the

994
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:07,919
et hypothesis becomes a plausible

995
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:11,440
explanation yeah my biggest takeaway

996
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:12,320
from the report

997
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:15,600
is again the government reconfirming

998
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:16,559
this essentially

999
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:18,799
right that confirming that these are

1000
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:20,880
physical objects

1001
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:25,519
and that uh in 18 incidents

1002
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:28,399
uh observers reported unusual uap

1003
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:29,840
movement patterns or flight

1004
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:31,120
characteristics

1005
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:33,200
so you're kind of they're confirming

1006
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:34,559
there's something physical

1007
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:37,440
that's performing in a manner that we

1008
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,039
don't it's not a known

1009
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:41,840
technology right without a discernible

1010
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:44,320
means of propulsion

1011
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:46,720
now yeah go ahead well i was going to

1012
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:48,559
say the only qualifier to that and i'm

1013
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:50,480
trying to find it here in the report

1014
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:53,600
is that they do at some point say

1015
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:56,480
it's possible that it could be because

1016
00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:57,519
of some

1017
00:34:01,110 --> 00:34:00,320
uh problem in the in the detection of it

1018
00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:01,120
um

1019
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:04,840
referring to yes and jim you as an

1020
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:06,399
attorney

1021
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:12,800
a lot on public documents

1022
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,839
and uh i would think that this kind of

1023
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:17,760
caveat

1024
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:21,440
seems to speak to a review by general

1025
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:22,320
counsel

1026
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:25,760
that's just my read on it what is what

1027
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,679
is your read there or do you think

1028
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:29,679
you know because the weasel words quote

1029
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:32,399
unquote woven throughout this document

1030
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:36,079
um really seemed to be a cya factor you

1031
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:37,280
know covering

1032
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:39,359
the uh hindmost corridor of the folks

1033
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:41,280
that are submitting this report to

1034
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:41,839
congress

1035
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:44,399
admittedly as an expression of law

1036
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:45,599
they've been ordered by

1037
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:48,639
law to produce this report and even the

1038
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:50,639
title of the report calling it

1039
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:53,359
a preliminary assessment you know gives

1040
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:55,440
them the opportunity to clarify at a

1041
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:57,839
later date in a different direction

1042
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:00,640
well my take on it was was that yeah

1043
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:02,480
essentially they're confirming

1044
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:05,200
that there's these 18 incidents we

1045
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:07,359
believe they were physical

1046
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:09,280
and they were exhibiting these this

1047
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:11,200
maneuverability etc

1048
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:13,359
um so then when you think about well

1049
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:15,359
what could be the explanation

1050
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:18,560
for this this is either earthly or

1051
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:20,480
extraterrestrial

1052
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:22,880
it's hard to imagine that it's earthly

1053
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:24,960
because based on all of our technologies

1054
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:26,240
that we

1055
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:29,520
to create

1056
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:32,240
this this guy jack sarfati you know

1057
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:33,359
we're going to have him on the show

1058
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:34,800
again i think on the episode right after

1059
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:35,760
this

1060
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:38,000
says that he knows the technology that

1061
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:39,680
would be necessary to do this and he

1062
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:41,359
thinks that it's doable and is

1063
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:43,119
understandable based on einstein's

1064
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:45,520
general theory of relativity and gravity

1065
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:46,720
and and so on

1066
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:48,880
but in order to make it he said it would

1067
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:50,079
be like creating

1068
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:52,079
you know the the atom bomb you know it's

1069
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:53,839
that type of a manhattan project in

1070
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:55,200
order to create this thing

1071
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:58,240
and just to interject briefly um

1072
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:01,040
i would think that the copernican shift

1073
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:03,040
to go from say

1074
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:05,839
conventional understanding of newtonian

1075
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:07,599
physics toward

1076
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:10,480
unleashing the power of the atom that

1077
00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:13,200
copernican shift that had occurred there

1078
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,640
the ability to manipulate space-time

1079
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:18,720
in the context of developing technology

1080
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:20,800
based on space-time engineering

1081
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:24,240
is even a greater leap okay yeah

1082
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:26,000
you're probably right certainly sarfati

1083
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:27,359
would was say

1084
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:29,359
at minimum it's it's equal but but

1085
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:31,200
probably even greater

1086
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:34,880
so so being earthly doesn't seem to

1087
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:38,000
make sense for it to be extraterrestrial

1088
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:40,320
is just hard to believe just because

1089
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:41,920
extra thresholds are hard to believe

1090
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:42,640
right so

1091
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:44,800
to to to proffer that there could be a

1092
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:46,320
third option

1093
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:48,960
that i guess it's possible that somehow

1094
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:51,280
we misdetected these things that that

1095
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:53,920
somehow i mean i don't think it's their

1096
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:54,560
number one

1097
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:57,599
option but both are so extraordinary as

1098
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:59,040
far as the other two options that you

1099
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:59,760
have to

1100
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:01,520
sprinkle in there the third option that

1101
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:03,440
maybe there was some type of faulty

1102
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:05,599
detection going on here but you know

1103
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:06,880
they're saying that it was

1104
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:08,720
in these incidents there was uh they

1105
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:10,400
were detected on multiple

1106
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:13,440
uh systems right and not

1107
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:16,320
not to mention the the eyewitnesses so

1108
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:16,880
um

1109
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:18,400
yeah i mean i think you have to throw it

1110
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:21,200
out there as still being a possibility

1111
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:23,359
but i think the the correct reading of

1112
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:24,720
this report

1113
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:28,079
is that they think that that's not very

1114
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:30,160
likely so you're you're back to earthly

1115
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:31,760
or extraterrestrial

1116
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:33,520
and and the national security

1117
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:35,200
institutions are not

1118
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:37,920
in the education business or the

1119
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:40,320
business of advancing the philosophy of

1120
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:41,680
humankind

1121
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:43,520
um they're in the business of protecting

1122
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:45,119
national security protecting and

1123
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:46,960
defending the constitution

1124
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:49,200
saving lives ultimately saving american

1125
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:50,400
lives protecting

1126
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:53,359
our interests around the world and so if

1127
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:54,320
they do not

1128
00:38:03,030 --> 00:37:59,200
have a conclusion as to what this is

1129
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:03,040
then they have to offer even those most

1130
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:04,880
simple prosaic explanations is a

1131
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:06,480
potential option here

1132
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:09,680
right um until they have a conclusion

1133
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:11,440
they're not going to say it's it's if

1134
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:12,800
it's an extraordinary

1135
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:15,920
conclusion they they need to know 100

1136
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:18,960
that that's the case actually back in

1137
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:20,720
the in the late 40s once again

1138
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:22,560
there was a general name nathan twining

1139
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:25,040
who you know famously isn't

1140
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:26,960
in involved in this memorandum that

1141
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:28,480
basically says these things are neither

1142
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:30,240
imaginary nor fictitious and then gets

1143
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:32,000
into a big long diatribe of

1144
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:35,280
of of describing them and um and you

1145
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:36,320
know earlier i mentioned

1146
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:37,839
general john samford talking about the

1147
00:38:41,829 --> 00:38:39,760
same thing a couple years later

1148
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:41,839
year after year after year decade after

1149
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:43,920
decade there have been similar reports

1150
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:46,320
not all have been made as as famous as

1151
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,680
this recent one

1152
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,440
but they all say the same thing i'll say

1153
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:51,359
that there's real three-dimensional

1154
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:53,040
highly sophisticated craft

1155
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:56,320
seemingly involved um in in over flights

1156
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:57,359
of the united states and

1157
00:38:59,829 --> 00:38:58,560
and that's really what they concern

1158
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:59,839
themselves with is the united states of

1159
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:00,640
course but

1160
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:05,359
it's worldwide and so so i i think that

1161
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:08,079
it it's it becomes exceptionally

1162
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:09,440
difficult

1163
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:11,839
for people who you know work on these

1164
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:12,720
radars and

1165
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:16,079
and military people to continually

1166
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,119
try and find more and more fantastic

1167
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:21,119
faults in the equipment when every

1168
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:23,200
single piece of equipment

1169
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:25,839
over the decades seems to have the same

1170
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:26,400
fault

1171
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:29,359
right so so this is a little bit of a

1172
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:30,560
problem and of course

1173
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:32,079
i'm sure some scientists skeptic out

1174
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:33,440
there could say well yeah that's because

1175
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:34,480
of xyz

1176
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:36,640
but i i guess i need to hear that i i

1177
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:37,599
think that

1178
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:39,680
nathan general nathan twining you know

1179
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:42,160
and general sanford back in the day they

1180
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:43,839
both said

1181
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:45,839
that um you know these these witnesses

1182
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,920
in many cases were incredibly

1183
00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:49,440
they were credible to the military

1184
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:51,280
because they were their own people

1185
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:53,520
and um you know there were cases in fact

1186
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:54,560
where

1187
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:57,119
um chiefs of staff themselves were at

1188
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:58,800
dinner parties and saw these things fly

1189
00:40:02,069 --> 00:40:00,400
over so they didn't know what to make of

1190
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:02,079
it and and it's

1191
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:05,200
it's um it's just become a point where

1192
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:06,800
they they can't just dismiss it out of

1193
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:08,640
hand saying it's all swamp gas

1194
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:10,160
right it's to comment just really

1195
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:12,240
quickly on the fact that

1196
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:15,760
uh it's the military competent observers

1197
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:18,960
that rocky cited you know this report uh

1198
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:22,000
jim it mentions 144 reports

1199
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:23,839
they were able to explain one of them as

1200
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:25,839
being a deflated balloon

1201
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:29,280
but of those 144 reports the majority of

1202
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:30,160
them

1203
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:32,000
happened in the last couple years

1204
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:33,280
basically when

1205
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:35,119
policies and procedures were established

1206
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:36,400
by the navy

1207
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:39,520
in 2019 and then in 2020 the air force

1208
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:40,240
mirrored

1209
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:42,079
those same policies and procedures for

1210
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:44,079
reporting on these objects i mean it

1211
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:46,880
does mention from to 2004

1212
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:49,520
um but it says the majority coming in

1213
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:50,079
the last

1214
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:52,480
two years that essentially means an

1215
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:55,119
incident every week

1216
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:57,119
i mean that's an incredible thing that's

1217
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:58,880
occurring right now it's not something

1218
00:41:02,710 --> 00:40:59,760
that's

1219
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:02,720
once every quarter or a couple a handful

1220
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:03,839
of times a year

1221
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:07,839
this is happening on a regular basis so

1222
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:11,200
by the way all these rep were all these

1223
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:11,760
reports

1224
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:15,440
states government it mentions

1225
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:17,359
okay so what about like say a commercial

1226
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:18,880
airline pilot

1227
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:20,800
that's not included in this report and i

1228
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:22,319
think the main reason

1229
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:23,839
is because they want to have some

1230
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,599
accountability regarding

1231
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:27,599
the procedures with which the data and

1232
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:29,040
the reports were made

1233
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:30,560
and so the government is staying in

1234
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:32,400
their lane so to speak the military is

1235
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:33,839
staying in their lane

1236
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:35,680
they want you know there's certain

1237
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:37,280
attributes that are reported on any

1238
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:38,720
particular incident

1239
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:41,599
and they're comfortable opining on that

1240
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:42,480
again

1241
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:44,960
could be the product of legal review

1242
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:45,839
there's also the

1243
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:48,240
the problem with push and pull so if

1244
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:50,079
there are people pushing reports out you

1245
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:52,000
know witnesses see things and and

1246
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:55,359
the faa for example does receive reports

1247
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,640
but they're not pulling for it they're

1248
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:58,079
not asking anybody to give them

1249
00:42:01,750 --> 00:41:59,359
information people are

1250
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:01,760
saying hey i saw this here's my report

1251
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:03,359
when you don't have someone on the other

1252
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:03,920
end

1253
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:07,040
pulling for that stuff to actually take

1254
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:07,680
it

1255
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:13,280
a a uh an organization that's full of

1256
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,400
reports but no

1257
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:16,560
no real conclusions this this recent

1258
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:17,760
report seems to be

1259
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:20,319
an attempt for the first time probably

1260
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:23,200
openly since 1969 or 1970

1261
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:24,800
where they're actually trying to analyze

1262
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:26,480
this stuff and and that's

1263
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:29,280
it's exactly where we left off in 1969

1264
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:29,760
right

1265
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:31,040
it's like someone hit the pause button

1266
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:32,800
again you know just hit play

1267
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:35,359
where where are other countries on this

1268
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:36,880
are we the first country to have

1269
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:37,760
prepared

1270
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:40,240
our official government report like this

1271
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:45,670
in as far as i know like there's been

1272
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:46,400
multiple

1273
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:49,280
countries who have had former government

1274
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:51,119
officials such as france

1275
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:53,359
they formed a organization you know a

1276
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:54,960
bunch of former government officials

1277
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,599
they formed this

1278
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:57,119
this thing and they put out a report

1279
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:59,040
called the camito report

1280
00:43:01,829 --> 00:43:00,800
and um i can't remember at the top of my

1281
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:01,839
head what it stands for but it's about a

1282
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:03,200
90 page report

1283
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:06,240
back in the late 90s early 2000s on

1284
00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:09,680
you on ufos on uaps and so it it's

1285
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:12,319
sometimes referred to as a as another

1286
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:14,480
government report but in reality i don't

1287
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:16,000
think it is um

1288
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:17,680
as far as a standing government doing

1289
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:19,119
reports on this stuff

1290
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:20,640
yeah i think the united states is

1291
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:25,430
there's a number of countries brazil

1292
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:27,760
canada france soviet union

1293
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:31,200
england different uh

1294
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:34,160
entities similar to atip to investigate

1295
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:35,359
the phenomenon

1296
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:36,720
some of these countries have made their

1297
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:39,440
files available in the public

1298
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:41,760
um i know that in the second season of

1299
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:43,440
an unidentified starring

1300
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:45,680
you know louis elizondo and the ttsa

1301
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:46,560
crew

1302
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,960
uh lewis had gone to italy for example

1303
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:52,880
to look at reports i think he went down

1304
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:54,240
to south america

1305
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,359
to look at some reports so this is

1306
00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:59,680
definitely a global phenomenon

1307
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:01,520
um you know one of the things that's

1308
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:02,800
often brought up

1309
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:07,599
jim in this topic is uh is it a threat

1310
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:10,960
and oftentimes the conversation orbits

1311
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:13,680
around this almost cartoonish binary

1312
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:16,079
of either it's a threat or it's

1313
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:17,680
completely benign

1314
00:44:20,829 --> 00:44:19,440
and you know there's several reasons why

1315
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:20,839
i think that's

1316
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:24,240
misguided um including

1317
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:26,079
it's it would be difficult to say that

1318
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:27,599
there's any constant

1319
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:29,440
characteristic or philosophy that

1320
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:31,599
humankind carries certainly

1321
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:34,880
humankind is a very diverse expression

1322
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,960
of of different values and things like

1323
00:44:40,750 --> 00:44:38,400
this uh so

1324
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:40,760
to just assume that um an

1325
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:42,240
extraterrestrial

1326
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:44,560
uh non-human intelligence is all one

1327
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:46,319
thing or another is a little bit

1328
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:50,400
um uh stereo stereotyping

1329
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:54,079
of different issues but also

1330
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:56,480
from the context of national security

1331
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:59,200
and the military

1332
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:01,839
if you imagine a spectrum between being

1333
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:03,520
completely benign

1334
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:06,720
and completely a threat if it if it has

1335
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:08,560
not been established

1336
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:10,720
without any doubt that it's completely

1337
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:12,720
benign

1338
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:15,280
then it's a threat even if it's an

1339
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:16,880
infinitesimal threat

1340
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:18,560
threat for example i believe in the

1341
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:20,079
report it mentions

1342
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:22,960
near near mid-air collisions in 11 of

1343
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:24,240
the incidents

1344
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:26,880
so if you can imagine this is a story

1345
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:28,960
louis elizano an example he gives if a

1346
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:31,119
737's tooling across the

1347
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:33,760
landscape and and this object flies in

1348
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:34,880
front of the cockpit

1349
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:37,119
and the pilot has to veer to avoid a

1350
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:37,920
collision

1351
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:40,079
well that's dangerous and that's a form

1352
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:41,200
of threat

1353
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:44,319
so i think that the military's business

1354
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:47,920
in the context of protecting security

1355
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:51,839
is going to game out various scenarios

1356
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:53,280
if they're seeing

1357
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:55,680
technology that's dominant that shows

1358
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:57,760
battlefield dominance

1359
00:46:01,750 --> 00:45:59,599
like the way commander framer described

1360
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:01,760
this object he was like

1361
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:03,920
yeah their their thing could outfly me

1362
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:05,280
and i really want to fly it

1363
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:08,400
you know that was his reaction um if

1364
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:11,119
if that kind of dominance is uh being

1365
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:12,400
expressed

1366
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,160
by a technological platform

1367
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:18,480
we have to consider all scenarios

1368
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,839
associated with that it would be

1369
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:21,680
irresponsible not to

1370
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:23,680
for the folks that are charged with

1371
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,119
protecting security and

1372
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:27,599
and uh and saving lives they never

1373
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:28,800
actually called it a threat did they

1374
00:46:32,309 --> 00:46:31,040
they said a national security challenge

1375
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:32,319
isn't that what they call it that's what

1376
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:34,480
the report says yeah yeah you know

1377
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:37,920
yeah general samford back in in 40 um

1378
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:41,599
or sorry 52 he said it did not

1379
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:43,359
seem to pose a threat because they

1380
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:45,920
couldn't find any any pattern or of

1381
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:46,880
consistency

1382
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:49,359
or logic kind of to what was going on

1383
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:50,960
they just didn't know

1384
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:53,280
but they still fully admitted that there

1385
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:54,079
was this

1386
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:57,680
craft and um so

1387
00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:00,480
a threat or a non-uh i think that's if

1388
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:01,760
there's anything new i guess that you

1389
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:03,040
know byron probably hit the nail on the

1390
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:04,480
head that's probably the newest thing is

1391
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:05,520
that they're saying well possibly could

1392
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:06,400
be a threat but

1393
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:09,599
you know the faa has has had

1394
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:12,640
um a lot of uh reports over the decades

1395
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:13,119
and um

1396
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:15,839
notably back in in 1986 and i think it

1397
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:18,240
was november of 86 over top of alaska

1398
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:20,480
there was a japan airlines flight flight

1399
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:21,680
1628

1400
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:24,000
the pilot kenju terauchi had been flying

1401
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:25,920
for 29 years at that point

1402
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:28,720
and him and his flight crew witnessed um

1403
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:29,440
allegedly

1404
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:31,599
a massive object and the reason i can

1405
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:33,280
say it's a little more than allegedly

1406
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:34,720
and this thing was very close to their

1407
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:36,400
aircraft a 747

1408
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:39,760
cargo plane um they this object was

1409
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:40,960
tracked on multiple

1410
00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:44,160
radar including military and uh had seen

1411
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:46,960
and it was seen after this on on various

1412
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:48,000
occasions

1413
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:50,160
the the chief investigator for the west

1414
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:51,440
coast division was a guy named john

1415
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:52,640
callahan

1416
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:55,599
and if you look him up he's spoken about

1417
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:57,040
this a number of times when i say chief

1418
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:58,480
investigator i mean literally he was the

1419
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:00,800
the west coast division chief for the

1420
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:02,720
faa this is this is no

1421
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:04,400
um you know spring chicken this guy knew

1422
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:05,920
what he was talking about and he put

1423
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:06,880
together

1424
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:09,280
a briefing for the for president ronald

1425
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:11,040
reagan's scientific study team on that

1426
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:12,559
particular event

1427
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:15,680
and uh mr calling him is no ufo guy

1428
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:18,079
either um he in fact had no idea there

1429
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:20,079
was an event but that radar data

1430
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:24,160
is available and so interestingly is the

1431
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:26,640
uh cockpit voice recordings from um

1432
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:28,240
those aircraft and the aircraft control

1433
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:29,200
towers and

1434
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:30,559
and it was reported in the mainstream

1435
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:32,640
media at the time and of course it just

1436
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:34,240
got swept under the rug it just vanished

1437
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:35,520
as a story but

1438
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:38,160
there was a a large object that was

1439
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:39,760
witnessed by multiple aircraft on

1440
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:40,880
multiple locations

1441
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:44,319
up there and um the answer is

1442
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:46,880
well it's a ufo that that was the answer

1443
00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:48,079
we don't know

1444
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:50,240
so i think it's time we should know i

1445
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:52,240
mean your country alone is putting out

1446
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:53,680
you know a trillion dollars a year or

1447
00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:56,800
closely um close to that in defense

1448
00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:58,559
bucks maybe maybe the taxpayers of the

1449
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:00,640
united states need to actually

1450
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:02,720
know what they're spending you know

1451
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:04,880
what's out there if it is american

1452
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:06,000
i don't think we'd be talking about this

1453
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:08,319
at all you know i don't i don't think

1454
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:09,839
there'd be a national discussion in a

1455
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:10,800
briefing and a

1456
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:12,000
you know all this kind of stuff i think

1457
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:13,839
it's i think it's time to recognize that

1458
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:15,359
there isn't just an unknown there

1459
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:18,720
and um why not look at this

1460
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:21,920
in a serious flight and it's been going

1461
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:22,240
on

1462
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:24,800
for decades as you point out so this is

1463
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:25,280
not a

1464
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:29,520
about the reports here i mean really

1465
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:30,559
it's 18

1466
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:32,960
reports according to this report which

1467
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:34,240
is all

1468
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:35,680
i think those are all just within the

1469
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:37,520
past couple years but you know i'm i'm

1470
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:39,040
distilling it down to the ones where

1471
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:41,280
they're saying they had the unusual

1472
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:43,599
patterns still this is military only

1473
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:45,920
this is just the last couple years

1474
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:48,640
um you know so the number of incidents

1475
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:49,280
has to be

1476
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:52,400
far far greater than this obviously

1477
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:54,880
um as far as it being a threat or not i

1478
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:56,240
mean

1479
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:57,920
if you're if you're thinking extra

1480
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:59,920
terrestrial i mean

1481
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:01,200
simply because they visit us doesn't

1482
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:03,599
mean they're going to bring weapons uh

1483
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:06,559
with them that it presumably it's it's

1484
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:08,160
surveillance

1485
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:10,480
and um and presumably also it's

1486
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:12,640
essentially a drone in the sense

1487
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:14,559
that you know we don't quite know what

1488
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:16,480
it would take to travel

1489
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:18,800
here from many many many many light

1490
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:19,760
years away

1491
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:22,319
right right but the idea that it would

1492
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:24,079
be some biological

1493
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:27,200
being in the craft as opposed

1494
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:29,520
to a.i that would be in the crowd you

1495
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:31,359
would think it would be ai

1496
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:33,280
right it would be some type of i think

1497
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:34,720
that's safe to assume

1498
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:37,839
you know that there's a an ai

1499
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:40,640
component perhaps and that there's not

1500
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:42,480
actual biological entities

1501
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:44,880
in the craft you know one other option

1502
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:47,119
uh that's been explored and this has

1503
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:48,480
really been something that's been

1504
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:50,800
floated by a lot of the people that have

1505
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:51,440
been read

1506
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:54,079
into the information like louis elizondo

1507
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:54,720
is one

1508
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:58,640
common thread jim is they mention

1509
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:01,119
high strangeness as the term of art in

1510
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:03,280
ufology which kind of means this almost

1511
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:04,240
paranormal

1512
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:07,359
psychological type of phenomena

1513
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:10,000
and that perhaps instead of thinking of

1514
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:10,400
of this

1515
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:12,640
in terms of two dimensions like a

1516
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:13,920
checkers

1517
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:16,400
uh where there's extraterrestrials

1518
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:17,680
twenty thousand light years away and

1519
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:19,200
they come across space and they come

1520
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:19,920
visit

1521
00:51:24,069 --> 00:51:22,480
uh planet earth you know perhaps that

1522
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:24,079
this is a more natural occurring

1523
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:26,160
phenomenon that's endemic

1524
00:51:30,069 --> 00:51:28,559
to the earth and that we're just

1525
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:30,079
becoming aware

1526
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:33,359
of it now um so they

1527
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:36,559
they always seem to tend to indicate

1528
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:37,119
that all

1529
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:39,839
options are on the table and that's so

1530
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:40,240
this

1531
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:43,440
than a

1532
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:45,680
uh roland emmerich movie you know

1533
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:46,800
independence day

1534
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:48,960
this may be way more bizarre than that

1535
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:50,079
and

1536
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:51,599
that's that's an interesting thing to

1537
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:53,440
conceive of and also

1538
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:56,160
uh i would i would be extremely hopeful

1539
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:56,480
that

1540
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:59,040
if there is a non-human intelligence

1541
00:52:06,390 --> 00:51:59,680
that

1542
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:06,400
in um you know helping helping helping

1543
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:09,040
humankind for example or at least

1544
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:11,520
monitoring us and uh making

1545
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:12,960
contributions to us

1546
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:16,079
if contact does occur this is of course

1547
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:18,400
uh the hope of millions millions of

1548
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:20,000
people um

1549
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:21,359
but i don't really think that we have

1550
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:23,520
the evidence uh where it's falling

1551
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:26,800
uh in that spectrum between being benign

1552
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:27,119
or

1553
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:28,720
threat we don't really have the evidence

1554
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:31,440
uh yet so so let's go there real

1555
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:33,440
quickly if you don't mind on the issue

1556
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:34,800
of crashes

1557
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:38,000
and whether one has crashed

1558
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:41,440
on to earth or not where are we on

1559
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:45,040
evidence of that belief in that etc

1560
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:47,359
well you know i know rocky's got some

1561
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:48,240
thoughts on this

1562
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:51,839
um there was a 2019 new york times

1563
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:55,680
uh article where uh physicist eric davis

1564
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:56,960
is quoted

1565
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:00,880
concerning uh briefing congress

1566
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:04,240
on crash retrieval

1567
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:07,839
and i think the context

1568
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:11,040
of the reporting is critical and what's

1569
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:13,920
actually being revealed by the reporting

1570
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:15,440
because

1571
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:16,960
there's also another interview with

1572
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:18,480
chris mellon

1573
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:20,800
mentioning that he is familiar with eric

1574
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:22,160
davis's

1575
00:53:29,829 --> 00:53:25,520
ideas and theories on this uh

1576
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:29,839
topic which i think the prevailing

1577
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:33,200
theory is that there are unacknowledged

1578
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:36,640
special access programs maintained by

1579
00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:37,839
the private sector

1580
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:40,640
entities like lockheed martin and

1581
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:42,000
there's only a very short

1582
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:44,000
list of individuals that have access to

1583
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:45,359
this information

1584
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:48,400
and ostensibly if a disc crashed in

1585
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:50,079
roswell new mexico

1586
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:52,240
the disc was whisked away and then

1587
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:54,000
became the provenance

1588
00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:56,240
of one of these unacknowledged special

1589
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:57,440
access programs

1590
00:54:00,549 --> 00:54:00,000
and even the president can't can't

1591
00:54:02,870 --> 00:54:00,559
access

1592
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:02,880
it and bill clinton tried and barack

1593
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:04,319
obama tried and

1594
00:54:07,349 --> 00:54:06,480
they can't even access that information

1595
00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:07,359
and so

1596
00:54:11,349 --> 00:54:10,160
perhaps in the deep recesses recesses of

1597
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:11,359
the dark

1598
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:14,079
you know infrastructure of the american

1599
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:14,559
uh

1600
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:20,559
this evidence exists these materials

1601
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:22,319
exist

1602
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:24,400
i think that those are just theories and

1603
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:26,640
so any briefing that had occurred to

1604
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:28,720
congress concerning those potential

1605
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:30,480
theories were just theories and they

1606
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:32,000
weren't literally saying

1607
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:33,440
that there's an unacknowledged special

1608
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:35,119
access program that has a disc and

1609
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:36,480
bodies etc

1610
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:38,720
so like i mentioned earlier i have i've

1611
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:40,799
done research into the roswell incident

1612
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:43,359
i think it's more folklore and mythology

1613
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:43,920
um

1614
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:45,440
and i do not believe that we have

1615
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:47,200
recovered uh a disc

1616
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:49,680
there may be some exotic materials that

1617
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:51,119
have been recovered

1618
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:54,240
like some exotic material that

1619
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:57,839
exhibits uh you know unique iso

1620
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:01,040
isotopic uh principles you know that are

1621
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:04,319
not of nature or they may they may show

1622
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,160
that they've been designed at the

1623
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:08,880
atomic level on an atom by atom basis

1624
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:09,920
we've heard something

1625
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:13,040
some information on that but nothing

1626
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:15,119
really is in the public sphere that that

1627
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:15,760
uh

1628
00:55:20,670 --> 00:55:17,839
locks this down rocky what are your

1629
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:20,680
thoughts on crash retrieval nope

1630
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:22,880
[Laughter]

1631
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:24,400
i just well i mean of course it's always

1632
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:26,640
possible but the what's come out

1633
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:29,440
over the decades has not been all that

1634
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:30,480
compelling to me i mean

1635
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:33,200
look i i'm a person that has fallen for

1636
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:34,079
bad information

1637
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:36,720
in the past and um you know totally and

1638
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:38,880
and so i try to be

1639
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:42,160
today as as reasonable as i can

1640
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:43,839
and there's a lot of people that have

1641
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:45,280
talked there's a lot of

1642
00:55:50,789 --> 00:55:48,880
stories but um i i haven't seen anything

1643
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:50,799
that's super credible i will say that

1644
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:52,559
the idea that they may have recovered

1645
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:54,000
something

1646
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:55,599
yeah that seems to be a little more

1647
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:57,520
credible in the sense that you do have

1648
00:56:03,150 --> 00:55:59,280
some scientists making those

1649
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:03,160
such claims all the way back to about

1650
00:56:09,109 --> 00:56:05,920
1953. it actually

1651
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:09,119
the 47 roswell thing there's actually

1652
00:56:12,789 --> 00:56:10,400
secret memos that have now been

1653
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:12,799
declassified from that time period where

1654
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:14,160
generals are saying boy wouldn't it be

1655
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:15,280
great if we had something

1656
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:17,440
and so it kind of dismissed the the

1657
00:56:24,069 --> 00:56:19,760
roswell thing you know

1658
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:24,079
right so in 1953 however there were

1659
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:26,240
uh material scientists at wright

1660
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:27,440
patterson air force base

1661
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:30,880
um that's you know we're apparently

1662
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:32,480
studying something you know what some

1663
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:33,359
kind of material

1664
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:36,400
or at least the the ideas of of what

1665
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:38,079
this may look like but that's

1666
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:39,599
after that everything went so secret

1667
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:41,040
that there's just really no way to know

1668
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:42,559
it is interesting though

1669
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:46,000
that in 1950 one of the leading

1670
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:48,880
uh metal urgists in the world hc cross

1671
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:49,359
um

1672
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:51,520
was brought in to study something for

1673
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:53,359
the pentagon on ufos why they would

1674
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:54,880
bring a metal or just not an astronomer

1675
00:56:57,750 --> 00:56:55,599
not a

1676
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:57,760
some other kind of physicist is is

1677
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:58,720
fascinating

1678
00:57:01,829 --> 00:57:00,960
and that probably attributes to a lot of

1679
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:01,839
the

1680
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:03,760
conspiracies etc and i don't blame

1681
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:05,520
people for for going down that road it's

1682
00:57:07,589 --> 00:57:06,319
just

1683
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:07,599
that doesn't give us any kind of

1684
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:10,240
evidence so i i don't know i say no but

1685
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:10,720
i mean

1686
00:57:14,950 --> 00:57:12,640
earth's a big place and could something

1687
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:14,960
have crashed into the ocean and then

1688
00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:16,079
they recovered it sure

1689
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:17,839
but um i haven't seen anything to

1690
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:19,280
convince me of it

1691
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:22,079
so jim you know i understand that you

1692
00:57:25,829 --> 00:57:23,280
have some

1693
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:25,839
somewhat skeptical views of the topic

1694
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:27,359
and you know i commend you

1695
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:29,200
for following this topic and having a

1696
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:31,280
wealth of different you know interview

1697
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:35,200
subjects uh you know i think was it nick

1698
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:37,040
cook you interviewed as well that was a

1699
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:38,079
great interview

1700
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:40,000
on hidden truth but what are your views

1701
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:41,839
on this

1702
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:44,079
um well you know i'm fascinated by it

1703
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:45,440
and i'm trying to

1704
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:47,920
apply some logic here to try to figure

1705
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:49,839
out what this could

1706
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:52,880
possibly be i mean i am

1707
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:56,160
definitely a skeptic and

1708
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:59,520
so trying to find ways to explain it

1709
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:01,440
that give a more simple explanation to

1710
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:04,000
it than it being extraterrestrial or

1711
00:58:08,150 --> 00:58:06,880
uh i mean that's why i fell for the

1712
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:08,160
turber

1713
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:11,280
story about it being u.s technology and

1714
00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:11,520
that's

1715
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:16,079
more about what it would really take to

1716
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:17,920
create this kind of technology it seemed

1717
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:19,760
to make sense to me because

1718
00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:22,799
we've got these black op projects and

1719
00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:24,880
billions of dollars being poured into

1720
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:25,599
them

1721
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:28,079
and it's like well and what have they

1722
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:29,119
created what

1723
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:30,880
where what have we gotten for these

1724
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:32,160
billions of dollars that have been spent

1725
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:32,960
at one point

1726
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:34,079
i think in one of the episodes we

1727
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:36,000
actually did the math as far as how

1728
00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:38,160
much has been spent on on blackout

1729
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:40,160
projects in the u.s

1730
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:43,920
and the idea that they could have

1731
00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:46,960
uh created something like this i mean

1732
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:47,359
again

1733
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:48,480
these projects have been going on for

1734
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:50,880
decades a lot of people point to star

1735
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:51,520
wars

1736
00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:53,599
um as being one of kind of maybe the

1737
00:58:56,549 --> 00:58:54,720
starting points uh

1738
00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:56,559
under reagan but certainly tons of money

1739
00:59:02,309 --> 00:58:57,839
went into that so that's

1740
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:02,319
80s so that's you know over 30 years ago

1741
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:04,880
so if for over 30 years you've had this

1742
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:05,599
kind of money

1743
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:07,760
going into that searching for that type

1744
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:09,119
of technology

1745
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:12,240
and um you certainly have lots of uh big

1746
00:59:16,829 --> 00:59:15,359
uh us companies aerospace companies

1747
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:16,839
in doing private projects with the

1748
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:19,520
government so the idea

1749
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:22,400
that this could be u.s technology was

1750
00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:24,240
making a lot of sense to me

1751
00:59:30,549 --> 00:59:27,680
and that was for me the most logical

1752
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:30,559
explanation and then the fact that these

1753
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:32,079
tic tacs were found where they were

1754
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:34,400
found and they were just

1755
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:38,079
testing some new radar functionality

1756
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:41,599
systems um off the nimitz

1757
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:43,520
so the idea that one was testing against

1758
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:45,040
the other i think that was the turbo

1759
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:46,640
theory that it was the air force and the

1760
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:49,040
navy and so on

1761
00:59:56,309 --> 00:59:53,040
um and you know turber spins a good yarn

1762
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:56,319
and a lot of the things he said actually

1763
01:00:00,390 --> 00:59:58,160
did make a lot of

1764
01:00:02,549 --> 01:00:00,400
sense some of the things as it turns out

1765
01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:02,559
he was just absolutely making up

1766
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:05,920
out of whole cloth um and he's even

1767
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:08,000
turned around and now today

1768
01:00:11,109 --> 01:00:09,680
uh thinks that there's a very simple

1769
01:00:12,630 --> 01:00:11,119
explanation for for

1770
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:12,640
these sightings and he's calling them

1771
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:14,079
you know weather balloon kind of

1772
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:15,760
exploitation awesome

1773
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:18,400
awesome you know here's something i'd

1774
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:18,960
like to say

1775
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:20,799
james i wouldn't feel so bad about this

1776
01:00:24,549 --> 01:00:22,240
because number one

1777
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:24,559
um some of these things will be secret

1778
01:00:28,150 --> 01:00:26,240
american technology of course

1779
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:28,160
right some of them but i think that's

1780
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:29,760
the problem with this topic in general

1781
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:30,640
is that

1782
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:32,720
often all of us will say something like

1783
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:33,920
well it could be this

1784
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:36,880
it could be that when we say it what are

1785
01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:37,599
we talking about

1786
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:40,640
if we're talking about a specific event

1787
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:42,640
that's that's how we have to uh i think

1788
01:00:46,470 --> 01:00:44,720
look at this this issue is

1789
01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:46,480
let's bring up specific events and say

1790
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:48,640
what's that right what information do we

1791
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:49,760
have on that

1792
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:52,240
and it becomes fairly obvious pretty

1793
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:53,680
quickly when we when we look at

1794
01:00:57,910 --> 01:00:56,880
individual cases that in in many

1795
01:00:59,670 --> 01:00:57,920
respects we're not

1796
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:59,680
we're not dealing with conventional

1797
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:01,440
reactionary propulsion right we're not

1798
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:02,960
throwing something out the back

1799
01:01:06,549 --> 01:01:04,799
there's no propeller it's not a balloon

1800
01:01:09,990 --> 01:01:06,559
we're talking about objects that

1801
01:01:13,030 --> 01:01:10,000
since at least 47 have been able to

1802
01:01:15,829 --> 01:01:13,040
um you know maneuver

1803
01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:15,839
in ways that have baffled our scientists

1804
01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:17,839
and our military people back then

1805
01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:19,440
and are continuing to do so today you

1806
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:20,799
know 90 degree turns without losing

1807
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:22,640
inertia

1808
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:24,480
how is that done i mean without some

1809
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:26,559
incredible nuclear blast of explo you

1810
01:01:28,789 --> 01:01:28,240
know explosive power in the moment of

1811
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:28,799
the turn

1812
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:31,440
how do you do it and and i've because

1813
01:01:33,750 --> 01:01:33,119
i'm not a physicist i'm not a i'm not a

1814
01:01:35,109 --> 01:01:33,760
scientist

1815
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:35,119
i don't claim to know these things so

1816
01:01:38,069 --> 01:01:37,119
i've i've contacted physicists and

1817
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:38,079
scientists for

1818
01:01:41,510 --> 01:01:40,000
two decades now to try and wrap my brain

1819
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:41,520
around this and

1820
01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:44,960
and at each time they say basically

1821
01:01:50,950 --> 01:01:48,160
if that data is correct it's

1822
01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:50,960
either star wars you know it's it's a

1823
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:52,079
fantasy

1824
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:55,200
or someone it doesn't matter who really

1825
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:57,599
someone has has developed something like

1826
01:02:00,069 --> 01:01:59,280
a gravitational wave propulsion system

1827
01:02:02,470 --> 01:02:00,079
or something

1828
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:02,480
some kind of some type of propulsion

1829
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:03,200
system that is

1830
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:04,960
is well outside of our lexicon at this

1831
01:02:07,990 --> 01:02:06,480
moment no one's written a scientific

1832
01:02:09,029 --> 01:02:08,000
peer-reviewed paper on that type of

1833
01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:09,039
propulsion

1834
01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:11,200
to get if we can assume that some of

1835
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:12,640
these cases really occurred in the way

1836
01:02:17,109 --> 01:02:14,480
that they are described

1837
01:02:18,789 --> 01:02:17,119
if that data is correct to get to there

1838
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:18,799
from where we are today let alone the

1839
01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:20,640
1950s and 60s

1840
01:02:24,150 --> 01:02:22,720
where's all that intermediate scientific

1841
01:02:24,549 --> 01:02:24,160
knowledge and learning how come it's

1842
01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:24,559
right

1843
01:02:29,029 --> 01:02:26,720
there's nothing spelled out there's

1844
01:02:31,829 --> 01:02:29,039
nothing else in science

1845
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:31,839
in any area of science where one group

1846
01:02:33,990 --> 01:02:32,240
has

1847
01:02:35,589 --> 01:02:34,000
all of the information even when it was

1848
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:35,599
the manhattan project

1849
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:37,200
virtually everybody on earth knew that

1850
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:38,880
splitting an atom was going to create an

1851
01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:40,000
explosion at this point

1852
01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:41,359
everybody was theorizing there was there

1853
01:02:45,190 --> 01:02:43,839
was you know tens of thousands of people

1854
01:02:46,870 --> 01:02:45,200
around the globe talking about it it was

1855
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:46,880
just could we do it

1856
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:49,359
well here we are again i mean so um the

1857
01:02:54,549 --> 01:02:50,880
problem is this time it's

1858
01:02:56,710 --> 01:02:54,559
it's been going on for 74 75 years

1859
01:02:58,309 --> 01:02:56,720
and um and we don't we don't have a real

1860
01:02:58,950 --> 01:02:58,319
answer we always say we can't explain

1861
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:58,960
this

1862
01:03:01,990 --> 01:03:01,440
actually i think we can we're just not

1863
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:02,000
willing to

1864
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:04,799
accept the explanations right the et

1865
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:06,960
hypothesis is a perfectly reasonable

1866
01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:09,200
explanation but it creeps us out it's

1867
01:03:13,109 --> 01:03:10,640
weird it's embarrassing it's

1868
01:03:13,829 --> 01:03:13,119
it's been hijacked by the woo it's been

1869
01:03:15,510 --> 01:03:13,839
it's been

1870
01:03:17,750 --> 01:03:15,520
murdered by all the you know wacky

1871
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:17,760
doodles out there but the reality is

1872
01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:20,880
that doesn't make it any less true right

1873
01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:22,559
that that there is some kind of high

1874
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:24,400
technology built by someone

1875
01:03:27,750 --> 01:03:25,920
operating in our airspace around the

1876
01:03:30,870 --> 01:03:27,760
globe

1877
01:03:34,870 --> 01:03:30,880
who can do that so make sense to be

1878
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:34,880
fair i mean some of the more sensational

1879
01:03:42,390 --> 01:03:39,359
theories and stories may be true

1880
01:03:44,150 --> 01:03:42,400
um sure there may be an unacknowledged

1881
01:03:45,910 --> 01:03:44,160
special access program that has

1882
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:45,920
retrieved a craft

1883
01:03:52,390 --> 01:03:49,520
it certainly wouldn't be that

1884
01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:52,400
more extraordinary than what we're

1885
01:03:56,950 --> 01:03:54,160
actually being witness to right now

1886
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:56,960
anyways so a lot of things happen in

1887
01:03:59,910 --> 01:03:59,200
life that are milestones and sea changes

1888
01:04:01,430 --> 01:03:59,920
and

1889
01:04:04,630 --> 01:04:01,440
certainly this topic which would

1890
01:04:07,190 --> 01:04:04,640
fundamentally change the human identity

1891
01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:07,200
if it were uh to prove out that the et

1892
01:04:12,069 --> 01:04:09,520
hypothesis is a part of the uh

1893
01:04:14,309 --> 01:04:12,079
conclusion i mean the huge the sense of

1894
01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:14,319
world our world views would change

1895
01:04:17,589 --> 01:04:16,400
the human identity would be in flux for

1896
01:04:20,549 --> 01:04:17,599
years

1897
01:04:22,950 --> 01:04:20,559
if this happened um concerning like the

1898
01:04:25,510 --> 01:04:22,960
research that is out there

1899
01:04:27,430 --> 01:04:25,520
in the public sphere jim i had a chance

1900
01:04:28,150 --> 01:04:27,440
to interview robert powell who is the

1901
01:04:30,309 --> 01:04:28,160
founding

1902
01:04:32,230 --> 01:04:30,319
board member of scu which is the

1903
01:04:35,349 --> 01:04:32,240
scientific coalition for uap

1904
01:04:37,910 --> 01:04:35,359
studies this is a group ad hoc group

1905
01:04:40,230 --> 01:04:37,920
if you will a collection of uh maybe 40

1906
01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:40,240
or 50 phds are in this group

1907
01:04:44,470 --> 01:04:42,960
and they've issued papers kevin knuth is

1908
01:04:47,670 --> 01:04:44,480
one of the physicists

1909
01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:47,680
that's in this group he actually um part

1910
01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:48,240
of the

1911
01:04:54,630 --> 01:04:51,440
tic tac analysis made it into the

1912
01:04:57,270 --> 01:04:54,640
peer-reviewed journal entropy

1913
01:04:59,430 --> 01:04:57,280
and so there's been quite a lot of uh

1914
01:05:03,029 --> 01:04:59,440
unpacking of this data

1915
01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:03,039
and basically to have an object

1916
01:05:07,109 --> 01:05:05,920
move off the horizon in one or two

1917
01:05:10,309 --> 01:05:07,119
seconds

1918
01:05:12,630 --> 01:05:10,319
would be a fireball it would be like the

1919
01:05:14,150 --> 01:05:12,640
space shuttle re-entering the atmosphere

1920
01:05:16,470 --> 01:05:14,160
and we're not seeing any of those

1921
01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:16,480
effects with these incidents no sonic

1922
01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:17,920
booms

1923
01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:20,240
so there almost has to be a detachment

1924
01:05:25,349 --> 01:05:21,760
from

1925
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:25,359
the space-time you know spec

1926
01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:27,119
space-time infrastructure space-time

1927
01:05:30,870 --> 01:05:29,200
continuum there has to be a detachment

1928
01:05:32,470 --> 01:05:30,880
for this thing kind of like

1929
01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:32,480
what you hear in science fiction with

1930
01:05:35,910 --> 01:05:34,000
the warp bubble

1931
01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:35,920
or warp drive i mean this is what's

1932
01:05:41,829 --> 01:05:37,280
going on here

1933
01:05:44,230 --> 01:05:41,839
if indeed these movements are accurate

1934
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:44,240
yeah well i just spent an hour talking

1935
01:05:47,910 --> 01:05:46,240
to jack sarfati about that i don't know

1936
01:05:51,029 --> 01:05:47,920
what you know of him and how

1937
01:05:53,109 --> 01:05:51,039
credible you think he is but um

1938
01:05:55,589 --> 01:05:53,119
he he does a pretty good job of

1939
01:05:56,309 --> 01:05:55,599
explaining exactly how that technology

1940
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:56,319
would work

1941
01:06:00,630 --> 01:05:58,799
and what it would take to create that i

1942
01:06:02,789 --> 01:06:00,640
tried to hang with him the best i could

1943
01:06:04,309 --> 01:06:02,799
as far as understanding it but you know

1944
01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:04,319
it's a good interview because it's a lay

1945
01:06:10,069 --> 01:06:06,559
person talking to the this physicist

1946
01:06:12,150 --> 01:06:10,079
who claims to fully understand and

1947
01:06:13,190 --> 01:06:12,160
and claim frankly that it's rather

1948
01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:13,200
simple

1949
01:06:17,910 --> 01:06:15,920
uh explanation for this technology you

1950
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:17,920
know he likes to say first first-year

1951
01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:20,480
physics student would understand this

1952
01:06:23,910 --> 01:06:21,520
creating it

1953
01:06:25,029 --> 01:06:23,920
is a whole another animal and involves

1954
01:06:28,390 --> 01:06:25,039
meta materials

1955
01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:28,400
etc um and that's the big endeavor but

1956
01:06:31,589 --> 01:06:30,960
um we're gonna air that episode after

1957
01:06:34,630 --> 01:06:31,599
this one

1958
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:34,640
um so uh hopefully you guys will take a

1959
01:06:37,109 --> 01:06:35,520
listen to that and

1960
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:37,119
give us your thoughts on it you know

1961
01:06:40,470 --> 01:06:38,640
we've heard we've heard jack

1962
01:06:42,870 --> 01:06:40,480
and certainly i don't have the uh

1963
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:42,880
scientific expertise to

1964
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:44,880
really get into chapter and verse with

1965
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:47,119
his analysis

1966
01:06:53,990 --> 01:06:50,880
but he has a really broad

1967
01:06:56,549 --> 01:06:54,000
you know robust career over the years in

1968
01:06:58,230 --> 01:06:56,559
in various different

1969
01:06:59,589 --> 01:06:58,240
investigations and explorations i

1970
01:07:00,630 --> 01:06:59,599
believe he was involved in remote

1971
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:00,640
viewing

1972
01:07:05,430 --> 01:07:03,839
um along with hal put off in the 60s and

1973
01:07:08,230 --> 01:07:05,440
70s which is

1974
01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:08,240
kind of this paranormal thing um he is a

1975
01:07:11,589 --> 01:07:08,640
true

1976
01:07:12,789 --> 01:07:11,599
seize physicist uh i think he likes to

1977
01:07:16,789 --> 01:07:12,799
be compared

1978
01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:18,230
i was just googling some pictures of him

1979
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:20,000
here to make sure i had the right guy he

1980
01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:20,400
does

1981
01:07:24,150 --> 01:07:22,160
kind of look like doc brown yeah yeah

1982
01:07:27,109 --> 01:07:24,160
yeah i don't know he's out there and

1983
01:07:28,390 --> 01:07:27,119
and the story begins uh when he was 15

1984
01:07:31,029 --> 01:07:28,400
years old

1985
01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:31,039
and received some phone calls from

1986
01:07:35,670 --> 01:07:32,559
extraterrestrials

1987
01:07:37,990 --> 01:07:35,680
um oh wow and and and there's probably

1988
01:07:38,950 --> 01:07:38,000
some lsd that comes into the story

1989
01:07:42,870 --> 01:07:38,960
sometime

1990
01:07:45,990 --> 01:07:42,880
later

1991
01:07:48,789 --> 01:07:46,000
there are many many accounts

1992
01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:48,799
and experiences that people are having

1993
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:51,200
at a subjective level

1994
01:07:56,789 --> 01:07:54,720
they're called experiencers and

1995
01:07:58,390 --> 01:07:56,799
they don't really have evidence about

1996
01:08:00,870 --> 01:07:58,400
their experiences

1997
01:08:01,829 --> 01:08:00,880
but just hearing their testimony and how

1998
01:08:04,309 --> 01:08:01,839
passionate

1999
01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:04,319
they are about these experiences that

2000
01:08:08,230 --> 01:08:06,000
they've had

2001
01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:08,240
i don't want to dismiss those out of

2002
01:08:10,870 --> 01:08:09,359
hand as just

2003
01:08:12,870 --> 01:08:10,880
being purely subjective so they're

2004
01:08:16,390 --> 01:08:12,880
worthless i think that the

2005
01:08:18,789 --> 01:08:16,400
value in appreciating these

2006
01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:18,799
very wide-ranging set sets of

2007
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:20,239
experiences and

2008
01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:22,319
direct encounters and telepathic

2009
01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:24,080
communication and this kind of thing

2010
01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:26,640
i think the value in it is seeing the

2011
01:08:29,669 --> 01:08:28,880
impact on the real world that they are

2012
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:29,679
having

2013
01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:32,400
because lives are being changed by these

2014
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:33,520
experiences

2015
01:08:37,349 --> 01:08:35,679
and they change their life and then they

2016
01:08:38,789 --> 01:08:37,359
do different things in their life

2017
01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:38,799
which actually has an impact on the

2018
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:41,040
world around us and so this is a very

2019
01:08:44,149 --> 01:08:42,239
real thing you know

2020
01:08:46,149 --> 01:08:44,159
rocky and i were very familiar with a

2021
01:08:48,709 --> 01:08:46,159
kind of a bridge case

2022
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:48,719
that operates as a bridge between the

2023
01:08:53,430 --> 01:08:50,000
empirically based

2024
01:08:56,070 --> 01:08:53,440
data driven scientifically sound ufo

2025
01:08:58,309 --> 01:08:56,080
or uap cases and then these experiencers

2026
01:09:02,229 --> 01:08:58,319
and that bridge case is the

2027
01:09:04,870 --> 01:09:02,239
encounter at rua zimbabwe in 1994

2028
01:09:05,829 --> 01:09:04,880
at the ariel school where about 60

2029
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:05,839
children

2030
01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:08,880
experienced beings directly and

2031
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:11,040
you know they had interviews immediately

2032
01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:12,480
following the incident

2033
01:09:16,229 --> 01:09:14,880
and then pulitzer prize-winning uh

2034
01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:16,239
harvard psychologist

2035
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:18,960
john mack came in there a month or two

2036
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:20,640
later and conducted one-on-one

2037
01:09:24,149 --> 01:09:22,080
interviews with these kids

2038
01:09:26,070 --> 01:09:24,159
and just as a kind of a case where you

2039
01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:26,080
bridge these two different worlds of the

2040
01:09:29,030 --> 01:09:27,359
experiencers

2041
01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:29,040
which don't really have any evidence and

2042
01:09:32,470 --> 01:09:30,400
they're purely subjective

2043
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:32,480
and then the other side of ufology which

2044
01:09:35,349 --> 01:09:34,640
is you know commander fravor backed by

2045
01:09:37,749 --> 01:09:35,359
data

2046
01:09:39,269 --> 01:09:37,759
backed by navy aviator testimony about

2047
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:39,279
these encounters with these objects

2048
01:09:43,189 --> 01:09:41,759
the ruan zimbabwe aerial school really

2049
01:09:46,229 --> 01:09:43,199
kind of has this

2050
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:46,239
elements of both both of the uh the

2051
01:09:50,229 --> 01:09:49,199
factions of of this phenomena and i

2052
01:09:51,669 --> 01:09:50,239
believe there's a movie

2053
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:51,679
that's going to be coming out soon that

2054
01:09:55,350 --> 01:09:53,279
focuses solely on that

2055
01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:55,360
i know that james fox's movie the

2056
01:09:58,950 --> 01:09:56,560
phenomenon

2057
01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:58,960
the ending of the movie has footage from

2058
01:10:02,390 --> 01:10:00,320
this aerial school

2059
01:10:04,229 --> 01:10:02,400
movie that's going to be coming out and

2060
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:04,239
uh i'd encourage you to check that movie

2061
01:10:07,750 --> 01:10:04,800
out

2062
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:07,760
uh jim it's probably the best produced

2063
01:10:10,229 --> 01:10:08,159
uh

2064
01:10:12,070 --> 01:10:10,239
movie on this topic and it it really

2065
01:10:16,709 --> 01:10:12,080
explores the full range

2066
01:10:17,430 --> 01:10:16,719
of uh of the ufo issue from the 1940s on

2067
01:10:19,030 --> 01:10:17,440
forward

2068
01:10:20,470 --> 01:10:19,040
and that's called the phenomenon by

2069
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:20,480
james fox

2070
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:23,360
okay and then rouen zimbabwe uh is there

2071
01:10:27,910 --> 01:10:24,960
a documentary about that

2072
01:10:28,470 --> 01:10:27,920
yeah there's there there's segments uh

2073
01:10:31,030 --> 01:10:28,480
on the

2074
01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:31,040
on that case in this the phenomenon

2075
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:31,840
movie

2076
01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:33,760
okay and i think that i think that they

2077
01:10:38,149 --> 01:10:36,640
handle the issue very responsibly in the

2078
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:38,159
phenomenon movie

2079
01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:41,600
um and uh they actually end the movie

2080
01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:43,440
with the ruaz zimbabwe case what's

2081
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:45,520
unique is that these children are now in

2082
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:46,000
their late

2083
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:50,159
30s and they are being interviewed and

2084
01:10:54,470 --> 01:10:52,000
they're giving testimony

2085
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:54,480
and their story hasn't changed one of

2086
01:10:56,950 --> 01:10:55,440
the interesting

2087
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:56,960
common threads through a lot of the

2088
01:11:00,390 --> 01:10:58,560
experiencers

2089
01:11:01,910 --> 01:11:00,400
and it really talks about this more

2090
01:11:04,950 --> 01:11:01,920
benign influence

2091
01:11:05,910 --> 01:11:04,960
of non-human intelligences which is a

2092
01:11:09,669 --> 01:11:05,920
message of

2093
01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:09,679
uh the need for us to

2094
01:11:13,990 --> 01:11:12,400
essentially grow up as humans and not

2095
01:11:16,870 --> 01:11:14,000
continue to

2096
01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:16,880
prey upon each other and act in a way

2097
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:17,760
that

2098
01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:20,080
perhaps in the long term will be very

2099
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:21,120
destructive to our

2100
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:23,440
not only our own survival ability to

2101
01:11:28,630 --> 01:11:24,400
survive

2102
01:11:31,030 --> 01:11:28,640
in any decent capacity

2103
01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:31,040
there is a documentary being it's it's

2104
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:32,320
done they're just doing um

2105
01:11:35,590 --> 01:11:34,080
final bits on it's called the aerial

2106
01:11:37,270 --> 01:11:35,600
phenomena the um

2107
01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:37,280
director producers is a guy named

2108
01:11:40,630 --> 01:11:38,960
randall nickerson

2109
01:11:42,630 --> 01:11:40,640
probably a gentleman worth worth talking

2110
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:42,640
to about it but um yeah they've been

2111
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:44,080
working on that for a very very long

2112
01:11:47,430 --> 01:11:44,400
time

2113
01:11:49,990 --> 01:11:47,440
it is a deeply fascinating um

2114
01:11:51,189 --> 01:11:50,000
story um that the people involved in

2115
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:51,199
that are not

2116
01:11:55,030 --> 01:11:53,520
um you know they're not out getting any

2117
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:55,040
limelight whatsoever they've done some

2118
01:11:58,950 --> 01:11:56,560
interviews but at

2119
01:12:00,229 --> 01:11:58,960
at uh you know after being nagged to

2120
01:12:03,510 --> 01:12:00,239
death basically

2121
01:12:06,149 --> 01:12:03,520
so it's it is it is connected to the

2122
01:12:06,550 --> 01:12:06,159
the phenomena somehow and um and i you

2123
01:12:09,430 --> 01:12:06,560
know as

2124
01:12:10,870 --> 01:12:09,440
skeptical as i am about many things i

2125
01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:10,880
have no

2126
01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:12,640
i walk very i tread lightly when it

2127
01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:14,159
comes to that particular case because

2128
01:12:18,790 --> 01:12:16,400
those people are not lying they believe

2129
01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:18,800
specifically what they're saying and and

2130
01:12:22,229 --> 01:12:19,600
um

2131
01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:22,239
and it hasn't it hasn't been easy on

2132
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:23,360
them so i

2133
01:12:26,790 --> 01:12:25,040
i certainly wouldn't criticize them and

2134
01:12:27,590 --> 01:12:26,800
i think that they deserve some kind of

2135
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:27,600
um

2136
01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:29,760
proper explanation if it's at all

2137
01:12:32,709 --> 01:12:31,440
possible for science to ever

2138
01:12:34,870 --> 01:12:32,719
look at something like that and

2139
01:12:36,790 --> 01:12:34,880
investigate it there's there's something

2140
01:12:37,830 --> 01:12:36,800
very real occurred there there there

2141
01:12:40,950 --> 01:12:37,840
were studies done by

2142
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:40,960
medical um staff um from various

2143
01:12:44,470 --> 01:12:42,640
organizations that looked into mass

2144
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:44,480
hallucinations in african school

2145
01:12:48,229 --> 01:12:45,040
children

2146
01:12:50,149 --> 01:12:48,239
very specific and um i think it's a 2011

2147
01:12:52,550 --> 01:12:50,159
study which is available online

2148
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:52,560
in it and it cites this particular

2149
01:12:57,110 --> 01:12:54,000
incident and and

2150
01:13:00,630 --> 01:12:57,120
rules it completely out and says no this

2151
01:13:02,870 --> 01:13:00,640
is not mass hallucination whatever

2152
01:13:03,830 --> 01:13:02,880
occurred here whatever these people are

2153
01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:03,840
saying

2154
01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:06,239
something very real occurred and so for

2155
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:06,960
all of these

2156
01:13:10,630 --> 01:13:09,120
these um you know virtually all of the

2157
01:13:12,790 --> 01:13:10,640
medical specialists involved

2158
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:12,800
to come to that conclusion was was

2159
01:13:16,229 --> 01:13:14,400
fascinating considering the amount of

2160
01:13:18,149 --> 01:13:16,239
other stories that they said were

2161
01:13:19,669 --> 01:13:18,159
in fact mass hallucination and if i

2162
01:13:21,990 --> 01:13:19,679
remember correctly

2163
01:13:22,870 --> 01:13:22,000
the reason for ruling it out was that

2164
01:13:26,709 --> 01:13:22,880
the

2165
01:13:27,990 --> 01:13:26,719
symptoms that you would have

2166
01:13:30,229 --> 01:13:28,000
on people experiencing mass

2167
01:13:32,630 --> 01:13:30,239
hallucination just simply weren't there

2168
01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:32,640
and so that either it's some other new

2169
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:33,920
fantastic phenomena

2170
01:13:37,030 --> 01:13:36,560
you know medical problem or it's not and

2171
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:37,040
um

2172
01:13:40,709 --> 01:13:40,159
it's it seems to be that they they seem

2173
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:40,719
to be

2174
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:42,080
reporting something that actually

2175
01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:44,000
occurred to them rather than a fantasy

2176
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:44,800
or

2177
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:48,000
fascinating

2178
01:13:52,229 --> 01:13:50,640
so i'd like to wrap up with with this i

2179
01:13:52,630 --> 01:13:52,239
was just making some notes here as far

2180
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:52,640
as

2181
01:13:56,229 --> 01:13:54,719
what these things could be you know what

2182
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:56,239
are the categories of things that they

2183
01:13:58,229 --> 01:13:57,520
could be and then we're going to assign

2184
01:13:59,910 --> 01:13:58,239
a percentage

2185
01:14:01,510 --> 01:13:59,920
as to what we think the likelihood that

2186
01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:01,520
it's one of these things i

2187
01:14:05,030 --> 01:14:03,440
i i just wrote down so i'd be curious to

2188
01:14:07,669 --> 01:14:05,040
get your guys thoughts so

2189
01:14:08,470 --> 01:14:07,679
it could be extraterrestrial it could be

2190
01:14:10,870 --> 01:14:08,480
earthly

2191
01:14:11,669 --> 01:14:10,880
technology right could be advanced

2192
01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:11,679
technology

2193
01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:14,719
developed by us russia china uh it could

2194
01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:15,920
be

2195
01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:18,000
not real this is misperceived whether it

2196
01:14:22,709 --> 01:14:19,360
be human or

2197
01:14:25,430 --> 01:14:22,719
by the uh

2198
01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:25,440
radar etc it's not what we thought it

2199
01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:26,320
was

2200
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:28,960
um or and this is tossing sprinkling in

2201
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:30,159
a little jack sarfati

2202
01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:32,480
it could be from the future so it

2203
01:14:34,950 --> 01:14:33,760
doesn't necessarily have to be

2204
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:34,960
extraterrestrial

2205
01:14:40,830 --> 01:14:38,000
but if time travel is possible um it

2206
01:14:44,229 --> 01:14:40,840
could be time travel from the future and

2207
01:14:45,830 --> 01:14:44,239
um am i missing a category

2208
01:14:47,669 --> 01:14:45,840
well some of the more prosaic

2209
01:14:51,030 --> 01:14:47,679
explanations um

2210
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:51,040
airborne clutter is cited in the uh ufo

2211
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:52,080
report

2212
01:14:55,590 --> 01:14:53,520
well i'll put that in my in

2213
01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:55,600
misperception or okay

2214
01:14:59,189 --> 01:14:57,199
right because i'm specifically talking

2215
01:15:01,110 --> 01:14:59,199
about one the ones that that showed this

2216
01:15:05,110 --> 01:15:01,120
propulsion etc

2217
01:15:08,390 --> 01:15:05,120
so if somebody saw something that yeah

2218
01:15:09,750 --> 01:15:08,400
so so i i think it's clear that some of

2219
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:09,760
these things are

2220
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:12,320
are manufactured craft and that's not

2221
01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:14,080
that's not even up for debate anymore

2222
01:15:21,510 --> 01:15:18,080
so so what could they be well

2223
01:15:23,189 --> 01:15:21,520
i don't think we can really tell by just

2224
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:23,199
looking at something you know we're

2225
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:24,480
hearing a story about something whether

2226
01:15:27,990 --> 01:15:26,320
or not it's man-made or not however

2227
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:28,000
if we just look at our incredible

2228
01:15:31,669 --> 01:15:29,760
history of technology around the globe

2229
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:31,679
and where our leading edge science is

2230
01:15:35,350 --> 01:15:33,600
today where we think it is today

2231
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:35,360
nobody has anything like this not even

2232
01:15:38,870 --> 01:15:37,280
close i mean maybe somebody can make an

2233
01:15:40,229 --> 01:15:38,880
object fly in a straight line

2234
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:40,239
really quickly without melting right

2235
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:42,800
away but to do that

2236
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:45,840
over and over again and and have it stop

2237
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:48,000
and accelerate and instantaneously

2238
01:15:51,270 --> 01:15:49,840
we're we're looking at material sciences

2239
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:51,280
and areas of physics

2240
01:15:54,950 --> 01:15:53,280
that that start to add up there's not

2241
01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:54,960
just one area here we're talking about

2242
01:15:58,470 --> 01:15:56,560
hundreds of areas of science

2243
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:58,480
that have to be overcome to accomplish

2244
01:16:02,470 --> 01:15:59,600
those feats

2245
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:02,480
so so rocky you're putting that at at a

2246
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:03,840
close to zero

2247
01:16:08,790 --> 01:16:06,480
yeah earthly technology yeah i put it at

2248
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:08,800
i put it at ten percent

2249
01:16:12,950 --> 01:16:11,760
what are you putting that one at

2250
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:12,960
depending on the case you're talking

2251
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:14,159
about but i would totally agree with

2252
01:16:17,750 --> 01:16:14,880
your numbers i

2253
01:16:18,830 --> 01:16:17,760
i just depending on the case right okay

2254
01:16:21,669 --> 01:16:18,840
all right

2255
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:21,679
and byron you want to give us a

2256
01:16:27,189 --> 01:16:23,040
percentage on the on

2257
01:16:30,470 --> 01:16:27,199
being earthly technology um

2258
01:16:32,149 --> 01:16:30,480
i'd say if indeed that these are

2259
01:16:33,830 --> 01:16:32,159
physical objects

2260
01:16:35,189 --> 01:16:33,840
that show acceleration of nine thousand

2261
01:16:36,229 --> 01:16:35,199
miles an hour and they do a 90 degree

2262
01:16:39,510 --> 01:16:36,239
turn

2263
01:16:42,149 --> 01:16:39,520
uh whoa two percent

2264
01:16:43,750 --> 01:16:42,159
right okay what what about that they

2265
01:16:46,470 --> 01:16:43,760
were misperceived or or

2266
01:16:48,870 --> 01:16:46,480
the they're not actually real but what

2267
01:16:52,229 --> 01:16:48,880
they thought they saw as far as

2268
01:16:55,510 --> 01:16:52,239
a physical craft maneuvering in this way

2269
01:16:58,229 --> 01:16:55,520
was some type of spoofing technology

2270
01:16:59,270 --> 01:16:58,239
well general nathan twining in 1947 said

2271
01:17:01,590 --> 01:16:59,280
the phenomena

2272
01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:01,600
reported is something real and not

2273
01:17:05,669 --> 01:17:03,600
visionary or fictitious

2274
01:17:06,630 --> 01:17:05,679
there are objects probably approximating

2275
01:17:10,229 --> 01:17:06,640
the shape

2276
01:17:11,910 --> 01:17:10,239
of a disc of such appreciable size as to

2277
01:17:15,110 --> 01:17:11,920
appear to be a large

2278
01:17:15,510 --> 01:17:15,120
man-made aircraft so so and then it goes

2279
01:17:17,830 --> 01:17:15,520
on

2280
01:17:18,790 --> 01:17:17,840
and and he talks about the shape of

2281
01:17:20,470 --> 01:17:18,800
these things and performance

2282
01:17:21,910 --> 01:17:20,480
capabilities et cetera et cetera this is

2283
01:17:22,709 --> 01:17:21,920
the general in charge of air material

2284
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:22,719
command

2285
01:17:27,270 --> 01:17:25,520
if there was an object uh secret or

2286
01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:27,280
otherwise they likely knew about it

2287
01:17:31,110 --> 01:17:29,520
in fact on the last page of this memo he

2288
01:17:33,510 --> 01:17:31,120
says look it's possible

2289
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:33,520
this is not known to this command but

2290
01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:34,800
highly unlikely

2291
01:17:38,950 --> 01:17:37,600
and so it's not visionary it's not

2292
01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:38,960
fictitious it's not imaginary the

2293
01:17:44,229 --> 01:17:41,120
phenomena reported has been reported

2294
01:17:46,630 --> 01:17:44,239
by our best experts as real since nike

2295
01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:46,640
and just just to add to this a few years

2296
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:47,679
earlier

2297
01:17:54,550 --> 01:17:50,880
than that memo uh the uh

2298
01:17:55,669 --> 01:17:54,560
this 1947 memo uh jim that we touched on

2299
01:17:58,790 --> 01:17:55,679
earlier

2300
01:18:00,310 --> 01:17:58,800
uh the ability uh to suddenly appear

2301
01:18:03,189 --> 01:18:00,320
without warning

2302
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:03,199
as if from an extremely high altitude

2303
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:05,920
now that tracks exactly with the tic tac

2304
01:18:09,030 --> 01:18:07,360
incident where they're coming from 80

2305
01:18:09,910 --> 01:18:09,040
000 feet and they drop to the surface of

2306
01:18:13,590 --> 01:18:09,920
the ocean in

2307
01:18:15,510 --> 01:18:13,600
0.78 seconds um they say that the size

2308
01:18:16,950 --> 01:18:15,520
most reported of these objects is that

2309
01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:16,960
of a c-54

2310
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:20,320
or constellation type aircraft so a huge

2311
01:18:23,750 --> 01:18:23,040
huge size a big big object much bigger

2312
01:18:25,750 --> 01:18:23,760
than the

2313
01:18:26,790 --> 01:18:25,760
tic tac not much bigger but you know

2314
01:18:28,630 --> 01:18:26,800
perhaps

2315
01:18:30,310 --> 01:18:28,640
double the size of the tic tac if the

2316
01:18:33,750 --> 01:18:30,320
tic tac is the size of a

2317
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:33,760
f-18 uh 40 feet in length for example

2318
01:18:38,070 --> 01:18:36,480
um and it's interesting because back

2319
01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:38,080
then the military

2320
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:39,600
really didn't even want to float the

2321
01:18:44,390 --> 01:18:42,239
idea that this was extraterrestrial

2322
01:18:46,470 --> 01:18:44,400
and the conclusion that they say and

2323
01:18:49,590 --> 01:18:46,480
this is in 47 mind you

2324
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:49,600
he says this memo says this strange

2325
01:18:53,030 --> 01:18:51,520
object or phenomenon

2326
01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:53,040
may be considered in view of certain

2327
01:18:57,750 --> 01:18:54,880
observations as long range

2328
01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:57,760
aircraft capable of a high rate of climb

2329
01:19:01,110 --> 01:18:59,280
high cruising speed

2330
01:19:03,430 --> 01:19:01,120
and highly maneuverable and capable of

2331
01:19:05,189 --> 01:19:03,440
being flown in very tight formation

2332
01:19:07,350 --> 01:19:05,199
for the purpose of analysis and

2333
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:07,360
evaluation of the so-called flying

2334
01:19:12,149 --> 01:19:08,960
saucer phenomenon

2335
01:19:13,750 --> 01:19:12,159
the object cited is being assumed to be

2336
01:19:16,709 --> 01:19:13,760
a manned aircraft

2337
01:19:18,310 --> 01:19:16,719
of russian origin and based on the

2338
01:19:21,189 --> 01:19:18,320
perspective

2339
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:21,199
thinking and actual accomplishments of

2340
01:19:24,990 --> 01:19:23,280
the germans

2341
01:19:26,550 --> 01:19:25,000
this is what the military is saying in

2342
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:26,560
1947.

2343
01:19:31,189 --> 01:19:29,600
well now in 2021

2344
01:19:33,189 --> 01:19:31,199
they we know that this was not of

2345
01:19:35,590 --> 01:19:33,199
russian origin in 1947

2346
01:19:36,470 --> 01:19:35,600
the germans are out and we know it

2347
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:36,480
wasn't uh

2348
01:19:48,229 --> 01:19:43,030
same flight characteristics same

2349
01:19:51,830 --> 01:19:48,239
sightings same credible observers

2350
01:19:53,669 --> 01:19:51,840
usaf personnel and

2351
01:19:56,229 --> 01:19:53,679
the same message has been has been

2352
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:56,239
communicated to congress

2353
01:20:02,390 --> 01:20:00,239
that it is inconclusive

2354
01:20:04,630 --> 01:20:02,400
and so what this report says is we need

2355
01:20:05,669 --> 01:20:04,640
more investment we need more

2356
01:20:08,950 --> 01:20:05,679
investigation

2357
01:20:11,430 --> 01:20:08,960
we need to expand uh the resources

2358
01:20:12,229 --> 01:20:11,440
uh and our capacity to be able to

2359
01:20:15,430 --> 01:20:12,239
measure

2360
01:20:17,110 --> 01:20:15,440
these objects and uh

2361
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:17,120
i think that we're entering a new era

2362
01:20:22,310 --> 01:20:19,440
here where

2363
01:20:23,189 --> 01:20:22,320
there's a degree of transparency uh now

2364
01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:23,199
to this topic

2365
01:20:28,790 --> 01:20:26,400
that i think will not go away the genies

2366
01:20:31,110 --> 01:20:28,800
out of the bottle so to speak

2367
01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:31,120
yup well i'm up to 50 on

2368
01:20:37,430 --> 01:20:33,360
extraterrestrial now

2369
01:20:39,350 --> 01:20:37,440
50 very good i used to be i used to be

2370
01:20:41,189 --> 01:20:39,360
well it puts the others much lower so i

2371
01:20:44,310 --> 01:20:41,199
put from the future 20 percent

2372
01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:44,320
misperception 20 percent 10 earthly 50

2373
01:20:47,990 --> 01:20:46,560
extraterrestrial so and that's a that's

2374
01:20:50,550 --> 01:20:48,000
a big change for me because i

2375
01:20:52,149 --> 01:20:50,560
i would have been at at least 50 of it

2376
01:20:55,030 --> 01:20:52,159
being earthly uh

2377
01:20:55,270 --> 01:20:55,040
a year ago that's excellent jim i don't

2378
01:20:58,310 --> 01:20:55,280
know

2379
01:21:00,149 --> 01:20:58,320
people

2380
01:21:01,510 --> 01:21:00,159
richard dolan or david marlar now i'm

2381
01:21:02,070 --> 01:21:01,520
not personal friends with either one of

2382
01:21:03,910 --> 01:21:02,080
them but

2383
01:21:05,990 --> 01:21:03,920
um i've had an opportunity to speak to

2384
01:21:07,510 --> 01:21:06,000
both at different times in my life

2385
01:21:08,950 --> 01:21:07,520
and they're they're basically both

2386
01:21:10,149 --> 01:21:08,960
historians on the subject and i think it

2387
01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:10,159
would do

2388
01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:11,760
you know a channel like yours a show

2389
01:21:15,590 --> 01:21:13,600
like yours to have a historian such as

2390
01:21:18,390 --> 01:21:15,600
david marler or richard dolan come on

2391
01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:18,400
to really uh talk about these some of

2392
01:21:20,310 --> 01:21:19,120
these documents and

2393
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:20,320
people that we mentioned that are so

2394
01:21:25,590 --> 01:21:23,040
slightly here would be um

2395
01:21:27,270 --> 01:21:25,600
something very good for your for your

2396
01:21:28,470 --> 01:21:27,280
listeners because the history behind

2397
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:28,480
this and and the

2398
01:21:33,750 --> 01:21:31,520
the details of the history are immense

2399
01:21:35,350 --> 01:21:33,760
and so it's it's not something that is

2400
01:21:37,110 --> 01:21:35,360
just sort of a flight of fancy it's not

2401
01:21:39,990 --> 01:21:37,120
something that started today

2402
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:40,000
and um there is a consistency to the

2403
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:40,560
history

2404
01:21:45,270 --> 01:21:43,360
and there is a continuity of effort to a

2405
01:21:45,990 --> 01:21:45,280
degree within the pentagon when it comes

2406
01:21:48,629 --> 01:21:46,000
to

2407
01:21:49,750 --> 01:21:48,639
uh investigating this stuff that that

2408
01:21:52,709 --> 01:21:49,760
continuity is of course

2409
01:21:55,030 --> 01:21:52,719
the big mystery you know um but i think

2410
01:21:57,669 --> 01:21:55,040
to bring some historians on there

2411
01:21:59,189 --> 01:21:57,679
on your show sorry to to really get into

2412
01:22:00,790 --> 01:21:59,199
the details that that would be a

2413
01:22:02,470 --> 01:22:00,800
great well if you could help connect us

2414
01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:02,480
um michael may already know them i don't

2415
01:22:05,350 --> 01:22:03,040
know but

2416
01:22:06,070 --> 01:22:05,360
i definitely plan to continue to cover

2417
01:22:08,070 --> 01:22:06,080
this so

2418
01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:08,080
i would love to get connected with them

2419
01:22:11,910 --> 01:22:10,000
thank you again to byron de lear

2420
01:22:14,470 --> 01:22:11,920
you should check out his intention

2421
01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:14,480
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2422
01:22:17,990 --> 01:22:16,480
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2423
01:22:19,030 --> 01:22:18,000
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2424
01:22:21,910 --> 01:22:19,040
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2425
01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:21,920
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2426
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:23,440
our producer michael parker

2427
01:22:26,790 --> 01:22:25,199
thank you all for listening we'll be

2428
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:26,800
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2429
01:22:32,700 --> 01:22:29,920
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2430
01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:32,710
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2431
01:22:36,950 --> 01:22:35,520
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2432
01:22:38,709 --> 01:22:36,960
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2433
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:38,719
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2434
01:22:44,470 --> 01:22:42,320
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2435
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:44,480
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2436
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